Transcript of the live chat session that took place Thursday, May 14, 1998. These sessions are normally scheduled for 12 noon-1 PM Eastern Time every Thursday. Please note that the US is now on Daylight Savings Time. So in international terms, we are on at GMT -4 instead of GMT -5.
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For transcripts of previous sessions and a list of future topics, click here .
For an article on how to make "business chat" work (based on this experience), click here .
Since the chat itself happens at a rapid pace, it's often difficult to note interesting facts in particular URLs as they appear on-line. Here's a place to take a more leisurely look. I've rearranged some of the pieces to try to capture the various threads of discussion (which sometimes get lost in the rush of live chat).
Please send email with your follow-on questions and comments, and suggestions for topics we should focus on in future sessions. So long as the volume of email responses is manageable, I'll post the most pertinent ones here for all to see.
ChristianF -- Hi, Christian Frosch here from the Globewide Network Academy.
ChristianF -- Richard, my web-net connection and my moo connection keeps dropping. Others had the same problem today. But I'm available here and in the MOO.
Madeleine Butschler -- Hello all. I missed last week's session but scanned the transcript and came early to get a start on the journey. Should I go to Bob's site for his set up? Madeleine, Learning Strategist, Vancouver, BC.
ChristianF -- Madeleine, please join us at telnet://rdz.stjohns.edu
Richard Seltzer -- Madeleine -- If you are going to use your browser to connect to the MOO yes, you can do this by way of Bob's webshare program http://www.cottagemicro.com/webshare
Richard Seltzer -- Madeleine -- FYI -- since you are in Vancouver. I'll be speaking at Docuworld there on June 11 (about AltaVista Search).
Marshall Wick -- Greetings... Marshall Wick from Gallaudet University joining in today..... Glad to be able to find the time to be back in live chat...
Richard Seltzer -- Welcome, Marshall and others. If you do not have a MOO client, then connect to the MOO site with your browser, in a separate window http://rdz.stjohns.edu/grassroots/java/index.html sign in as a guest and then type @go #3602 That should take you to the demo room where we are starting.
tracytorrey -- This is Tracy, Torrey on Grassroots. I will be checking periodically any guests who enter and are lost and paging them to help them get to Richard's room. Type co guest to log into the moo, and press enter. Typing @go #3602 ( then enter) will take you to Richard's conference room. To type there, type a quotation mark BEFORE your words, and press enter after you type.
Ilene Frank -- Hi! I joined you last week. Are we back at microcottage and DU MOO?
Richard Seltzer -- Ilene -- This time, we're starting at Grassroots http://rdz.stjohns.edu/grassroots/java/index.html
Richard Seltzer -- All -- Welcome to our weekly chat session. This one is a bit different than usual. We're trying to do a live demo of the MOO environment. Please check the preceding messages for how to connect. If you have problems connecting please let us know here. Ideally, you should connect in a separate window, so you can readily come back here if and when you want. Christian Frosch and Tracy Marks and Ann Parsons are in the MOO space to help you there.
Richard Seltzer -- All -- Please let me know if you are having problems connecting to the MOO site. This time we're starting with a simple, text-only site.
Mike Cosgrave -- I'm in the moo as Sycamore
Rose Kimberley -- Trying in vain to get hooked into the site.
nacim -- Hello everybody Nacim from OTTER, Inc joining in.
Laura Rounds -- Hi I just arrived. Am I in?
Dave Griffin -- We've arrived late, but can I assume that the ghost link from the webshare gizmo doesn't bring us to the right place?
Richard Seltzer -- Dave -- We're at a different space this time -- Grassroots. Try http://rdz.stjohns.edu/grassroots/java/index.html login in with co guest then type @go #3602 Dave, once you get there, please let me know who you are. If you have problems connecting, let me know here.
tracytorrey -- Madeleine, you have to press the enter key after you type. You type co guest and press enter to log in. Then you type @go #3602 and press enter.
robert-donnelly -- pardon me but to telnet, is it telnet://rdz.stjohns.edu port 8888?
ChristianF -- Robert, yes exactly
Marshall Wick -- I have a MOO client Pueblo.... can i use that?
Richard Seltzer -- Yes, you should be able to use your client. Try rdz.stjohns.edu The port number is 8888.
Mike Cosgrave -- I pasted the @go command into the window..faster than typing...
Bob@CottageMicro.Com -- Ok .. Help. I started the Integrated connection, answered the questions, and entered @go #3602. Now I'm in a quiet cubicle with no one else.
madeleine butschler -- Oh dear. Still stuck. I have a grey screen in front of me and it says at the top "Validating" then GrassRoots TVR. There is a description of GrassRoots and then login commands which include co guest. However when I type that in the bottom little box for messages absolutely nothing happens. I have then added the go instructions as part of the co guest and still nothing happens???
Richard Seltzer -- Madeleine -- Try typing just co guest then
RETURN then type @go #3602 The telnet address of the MOO is rdz.stjohns.edu
port 8888
robert-donnelly -- in savitar the site is unreachable... in raw telnet, its telling me that the domain is invalid ...
tracytorrey-- People having trouble with telnet, try 149.68.1.35 I often have better luck using the numbers than the letters in a telnet address.
ChristianF -- Then scroll down to connecting Grassroots http://rdz.stjohns.edu/grassroots/mootut/connect.htm
madeleine butschler -- Thanks will try again.
ChristianF -- Then click on the link under #3 http://rdz.stjohns.edu/grassroots/java/
Carole Soule -- I connected to rdz.stjohns.edu but when I login as guest I get a blank window and when I try to type @go #3602 at the bottom I get no response and eventually get bumped off.
ChristianF -- Carole, try this link, it has an entry form http://rdz.stjohns.edu/grassroots/java/
robert-donnelly -- "how about an ip address? please...
ChristianF -- This is for IP address http://149.68.1.35/grassroots/java/
robert-donnelly -- I found in telnet, its much easier to use the IP address, and do not use a colon before the port 8888
Ron DeGray -- Still not connected but trying!
Richard Seltzer -- Ron -- are you using the Web address and your browser? Do you get to the Web site?
Bob@CottageMicro.Com -- Ron do you have a Java browser ?
ChristianF -- Ron, using the browser might be the easiest thing to do.
Ron DeGray -- Yes. I get the login screen, enter guest in the top box but get the message: connection failed. Ummmm!
Ron DeGray -- Yes. I do have a browser: Netscape with frames. I get the login screen, from http://rdz.stjohns.edu/grassroots/java/ and enter guest in the top box with the bottom box blank but get the message: connection failed. Ummmm!
Ron DeGray -- Could it be a firewall problem? I read the warnings before hand and thought i would be ok .
Richard Seltzer -- Ron -- Sorry about this. I just asked folks
over in the MOO to come over and provide advice. (About 15 people made
it all the way through the maze, some of them through firewalls.) After
typing
co guest you should get in and then you would be assigned a random
name like "Yucca_Guest"
In any case, I'll be putting an edited transcript together of this
-- both what's here and what's happening in the MOO. Check
http://www.samizdat.com/#chat
in a few days.
Ron DeGray -- I am disappointed but will check the transcript later. How can I go about finding out why I cannot connect? Any hints? Can I try to connect later after 1:00 or tomorrow? Regards. Ron
Bob@CottageMicro.Com -- Ron, check with Christian. He'll probably help you in connecting after the session.
Richard Seltzer -- Ron -- the experts who have been helping us through at Tracy Marks, Christian Frosch, and Ann Parsons. You can find their followup messages with their email addresses in last week's transcript http://www.samizdat.com/chat80.html Please email them directly and ask for help.
ChristianF -- Ron, if you like, we can try now.
Ron DeGray -- ChristiaF. Yes. We can try now.
Dave Griffin -- No joy -- the java window is blank. I have a 1pm concall so I can't stay and play. Maybe next time. Thanks for the opportunity.
Richard Seltzer -- Dave -- sorry you weren't able to make it. I'll be posting a transcript. Looks like good stuff and a natural area for some future business-oriented software development.
ChristianF waves to everybody
ChristianF says, "the page command is used to pages somebody who is in the MOO so that only that person can see this -- for example page RichardS "test will send a msg to Richard when he is in the MOO. You can see who is in the MOO by typing the following command: @who"
Torrey says, "I will keep checking @who to see if there are any guests that are looking for the group, and need help..."
ChristianF says, "Everything about communication in the MOO?"
RichardS says, "Wow, we have 10 people in the MOO already. I'm impressed."
Dicken_Wanderer says, "I have placed one of my other personae in the welcome room. Torrey, don't you have the login feature?"
Torrey says, "I turned the log on, Dicken. Am using zmud."
Dicken_Wanderer says, "No, to see who logs in. "
ChristianF says, "If you type look you get a description of the room that you're in and you can see who is connected"
RichardS says, "All -- while you are here, could you all please identify yourselves? Just begin what you type with " We'd like to know who you are and what your interest in MOOs is. We especially want to learn about possible business and education applications."
Dicken_Wanderer says <To Torry,> "type: loggers"
Torrey says, "Actually, I did have it on Dicken!"
ChristianF says, "If you type @who you get a list of who is connected, for how long, idle for how long and where this person currently is. "
Torrey says, "Richard, there are only four here in this room right now, Christian, you, Dicken and me...."
ChristianF nods to Torrey/Madeleine
Sunflower_Guest teleports in.
ChristianF says, "Shall we try a move inside the MOO now?"
Sunflower_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Sunflower_Guest.
Torrey says, "I assume that people looking for this room will mostly have guest names, so I'll page anyone elsewhere that is a guest just in case...."
ChristianF says, "Currently we are in the Samizdat room, which is only one room inside the MOO system. There are a lot of other rooms present where ppl can meet and discuss"
Torrey says, "I notice that the moo can't read the word I'm....it doesn't look apostrophes!"
Torrey says, "It doesn't LIKE apostrophes!"
Dicken_Wanderer nods. Yep. I've got a persona in the welcome room too.
RichardS says, "Christian, the logistics of this are going to be complicated. Folks are just starting to arrive at the Web-net site."
ChristianF says, "Just type @go #4509"
RichardS says, "Christian, can folks also type @join ChristianF?"
Dicken_Wanderer nods. Yes, they can.
ChristianF says, "If you would like to go to another room just type @go #4509 for example. Is everybody familiar with typing to say something?"
RichardS says, "Torrey, et al. For a while I'm going to head back to the Web-net area so I can direct people here. "
Hickory_Guest teleports in.
Hickory_Guest says, "Hi joining you from washington, d c "
Torrey says, "Welcome Hickory_Guest. Richard is rounding up people at web-net. "
Hickory_Guest says, "This is Marshall Wick "
ChristianF says, "Hi Marshall /Hickory_Guest"
ChristianF waves to Marshall
Hickory_Guest waves back
Dicken_Wanderer smiles. Hello, I'm DW, head administrator here.
Torrey says, "Hello Marshall....To see who else is connected, you can type @who and press enter. Only a few of us are in this room so far...."
Dicken_Wanderer takes a seat in the tiers of chairs in the room..
ChristianF opens the virtual cupboard and gets some cups
Elm_Guest teleports in.
Hickory_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Hickory_Guest.
ChristianF goes to the coffee machine, gets some coffee and pours it into the cups.
ChristianF offers coffee to everyone
ChristianF waves to elm_guest
Sycamore_Guest teleports in.
ChristianF waves to Sycamore_guest
Sycamore_Guest says, "made it..."
ChristianF says, "great "!!!"
Sycamore_Guest says, "Dicken..saw you yesterday.. was admiring your Sheelagh-na-gig!"
ChristianF says, "If you want to say something, just start with a leading quotation mark !"
Sycamore_Guest says, "thanks Christian"
Willow_Guest teleports in.
Elm_Guest says, "Connected?"
ChristianF nods
Willow_Guest says, "Hi, this is Ilene Frank from last week (willow)"
Elm_Guest says, "thanks"
ChristianF says, "If you want to emote something, just start with a leading colon"
ChristianF says, "for example :waves"
Torrey says, "Hello Ilene!"
Willow_Guest waves
Dicken_Wanderer smiles. thank you. but as I say, I don't know what this is. My Gallic is rusty.
RichardS says, "All -- is anyone who is connected here now doing so through a firewall? (Just want to find out if that is a significant barrier.)"
RichardS says, "All, I'm recording what we're saying here and will include it in the transcript. (Looks like there's lots of good info flying by too fast for me to catch it live -- especially when I'm bouncing back and forth to the chat site.)"
Sycamore_Guest says, " so folks, tell me a bit about objects in the Moo? how can you use them for teaching, for instrance"
Willow_Guest says, "One of the "objects" can be a blackboard where you post messages"
ChristianF says <To Sycamore_Guest> "First of all, you have different rooms inside a MOO, all these rooms separate the discussion areas"
ChristianF says, "and can be connected by exits/doors"
Willow_Guest says, "And many MOOs have "slide projectors" that let people show pre-written text. It's quicker than typing online"
Marigold_Guest teleports in.
Ann teleports Christian's Coffee Pot in.
Marigold_Guest waves
RichardS says, "Sycamore, the initial set up for this room includes a tape recorder and a note board. To see the commands for each type either help or examine followed by the name of the object."
ChristianF says <To Sycamore_Guest> "and then you can have objects like the one that Willow_guest/Ilene just mentioned"
Maple_Guest teleports in.
Marigold_Guest says, "hello...sorry to be late"
Sycamore_Guest says, "ok but i've done some thinking about moving my in-class teaching to the WWW...how would a moo differ? how would it be better than a website?"
RichardS says, "Hello, Marigold, who are you in the unreal world?"
Maple_Guest says, "OK This is Marshall Wick back again...."
Spruce_Guest teleports in.
Marigold_Guest says, "My name is William Painter. Pleased to meet everyone here. :)"
Willow_Guest says, "You could think of MOO as auxillary to your website. I use it for synchronous chat with my class"
RichardS says, "Welcome, William/Marigold. (It's a little hard for me to get used to the aliases/anonymity aspect of this."
ChristianF waves to William
Spruce_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Spruce_Guest.
Torrey says, "Richard, once people register as you did, they can use their own names..."
Marigold_Guest says, "One way to think of the MOO is to consider it a virtual knowledge map, a constructed mind map, so to speak, where students can create their own 'links' and areas."
ChristianF pours a cup of java coffee.
Marigold_Guest was late so didn't register
RichardS says, "Willow -- what are the benefits of using a MOO for synchronous chat rather than a normal chat room?"
Torrey says, "Hey Christian, got any decaf?"
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
ChristianF pours a cup of Decaf coffee.
Sycamore_Guest says, "black, 2 sugars here please Christian"
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
RichardS says, "Marigold -- what kinds of links and areas? (I'm trying to get a sense of the differentiators here. Why MOO?)"
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
ChristianF pours a cup of black coffee.
ChristianF smiles
Willow_Guest says, "Students can use any equipment - even just ordinary telnet programs will get you in. There are a variety of clients."
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
Marigold_Guest says, "Well, a MOO has 'virtual' areas: rooms. Much like that described by Francis Yates in the Art of Memory"
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
Marigold_Guest says, "its really a very old mnemonic technique with a new technology"
Maple_Guest wonders about how all the emotes distract from the real conversations....
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
ChristianF says <To Maple_Guest> "You get used to it."
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
Elm_Guest says, "I don't get the value of the coffee discussion"
Maple_Guest sips some of ChristianF's coffee and finds it bitter
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
Torrey says, "The emotes can distract, but after people learn to do them, they often do it less. There's no educational value....just gives a little more reality sense to the experience, helps people relax."
ChristianF sets down the empty coffee cup.
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
ChristianF says <To Elm_Guest> "It's a demo for what objects can be used. The coffee is just an example. Other examples can include a slide projector for example which will allow for displaying slides to those who are in the room"
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
RichardS says, "Tracy or Christian -- there are several folks back at the chat room who are still banging their heads against the wall trying to get in to the MOO. Can you please help?"
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
ChristianF says, "without having the teacher typing everything during the class meeting"
ChristianF says, "Yes"
Marigold_Guest says, "btw, what is the IP here? Anyone know? I have a person on another moo who is getting domain name problems"
Elm_Guest says, "am I missing something? Slides on the wall I can understand but a narrative of coffee drinking???"
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
Elm_Guest says, "can we see the slide show demo'd"
ChristianF takes another sip of coffee.
Willow_Guest says, "It depends on what you are teaching. Narrative is GREAT if you are teaching a writing class!"
Marigold_Guest says, "As Richard has pointed out, technology is at its best when it connects people, and that connection should include not only their ideas, but their 'context' also, such as drinking coffe or other such personal attributes."
ChristianF sets down the empty coffee cup.
Willow_Guest says, "And a couple of profs here are using it to re-enact historical events like the Scopes trial. Their students do research...."
Willow_Guest says, "And then they act out the roles"
Elm_Guest says, " I guess my plea is to see something this tool can provide that a simply chat window cannot"
Marigold_Guest says, "If Schrage is right in his article http://www.plan.ml.com/financial/forum/relation.html then a MOO is just the kind of technology that achieves a personal touch"
Dicken_Wanderer says, "Anyone may certainly get a permanent character here. If you plan to come often, it's be a good idea."
Torrey says, "One advantage of a Moo is that you can have multiple chat rooms, breaking up in small groups. You can also get on the grapevine, and speak to people in a variety of chat rooms, like a lecturer broadcasting to many rooms."
Marigold_Guest says, "It seems to me that if you combine Knowledge Management, complexity theory and constructivist learning, what you get is a MOO"
RichardS says, "Elm -- I'm trying to arrive at the same answer of why MOO? I'm seeing several possibilities -- one that with a group that keeps gathering again and again, they can evolve an environment that is comfortable and practical for them, rather then just coming back to the same meeting room every time. Also, there are many features here (which we turned off for this demo) that would make it easy for a teacher or speaker to manage large numbers of people on line."
Torrey says, "If a person learns some basic building skills, they can also create objects and a unique environment that expresses themselves....like having one's own office, with one's favorite pictures and tools available..."
Elm_Guest says, "Richard, will some of the unique features of the MOO be shown today, or did I miss that last week?"
Marigold_Guest says, "why not establish the ground rules first on a web page and then lead discussion??"
RichardS says, "For example, a room like this can be set up so people have to wave and be recognized before they can speak. (For this demo we wanted everyone to be able to talk whenever they want.)"
ChristianF says <To RichardS> "That's exactly it. Also, ppl can build their very own rooms, you cannot just build your chat room in a chat system. In addition, the MOO's also have web interfaces which allow for having animations and graphical interactions. For example, for some courses we had tutorials based on VRML that was connected to the MOO"
Elm_Guest says, "I haven't seen any "objects""
RichardS says, "Also, this room can be set up with "security" so only a pre-determined set of people have permission to enter."
Maple_Guest says, "Richard, that is true with straight jave chat rooms too though "
Torrey says, "This is a basic room, Elm_Guest, without much here. I can take people to my room which has objects for a brief demonstration when they are ready."
Elm_Guest says, "That would be great, Torrey. "
Maple_Guest says, "torrey i would like that.... i have seen a slide show but not much else "
RichardS says, "Christian -- the VRML/graphics/multimedia extensions of this could be very exciting. And this looks like a modular way to evolve toward multimedia for business and education. At the base level everything is accessible, but for those with the advanced capabilities, they can get a fuller experience."
Maple_Guest says, "some gave http: addresses here and there is no way i can 'copy' and paste to netscape to see it while on line"
RichardS says, "Torrey, yes, please, we'd like to see your room. Can we go along with you with @join Torrey? We'd also like to be able to see Christian's space."
Iris_Guest teleports in.
Aspen_Guest teleports in.
Torrey says, "I'm not sure the follow command will work with everyone. To go to my room type @go #3276 and press enter I'll be there"
Torrey teleports out.
ChristianF nods "yes, torrey, please lead and we follow via @join torrey
Tulip_Guest teleports in.
Marigold_Guest teleports out.
ChristianF waves to Iris and aspen guest.
Willow_Guest teleports out.
Maple_Guest teleports out.
Elm_Guest teleports out.
ChristianF says, "If you want to say something, you start your typing with a leading "quotation mark"
Sycamore_Guest teleports out.
RichardS teleports out.
RichardS teleports in.
Aspen_Guest says, ""Madeleine says Wow wat a trip". I'm here. What I see is text. from everyone's comments. Should I see any objects?""
ChristianF says, "We are currently moving to another room, just type @join torrey (no quotation mark)"
Iris_Guest teleports out.
Tulip_Guest teleports out.
ChristianF says <To Aspen_Guest> "not here, but in Torrey's room, just follow her by typing @join Torrey and you'll see more"
Laurus_Guest teleports in.
ChristianF waves
ChristianF says, "If you want to say something, you start your typing with a leading "quotation mark"
Aspen_Guest teleports out.
ChristianF says, "We are currently moving to another room, just type @join torrey (no quotation mark)"
Laurus_Guest says, "whew, I made it.... Let Chat !"
ChristianF says, "Great"
ChristianF waves "Who are you?
ChristianF says, "If you want to say something, you start your typing with a leading "quotation mark"
RichardS says, "Hello, Laurus.. What's your name out in the unreal world?"
Laurus_Guest says, " should we go to torrey ? [BobZ]"
ChristianF nods
ChristianF says, "via typing @join torrey"
Laurus_Guest teleports out.
ChristianF teleports out.
RichardS teleports out.
Sunflower_Guest teleports in.
Sunflower_Guest says, "hello, im robert donnelly from virtual online university"
Sunflower_Guest teleports out.
RichardS teleports in.
Ann teleports Butterfly_Guest in.
Butterfly_Guest says, "ann it looks like I 'm in"
RichardS says, "HEllo Butterfly. Most folks have moved to another room where Tracy Marks is showing her stuff. Type @join torrey to go there."
Butterfly_Guest teleports out.
RichardS teleports out.
Yucca_Guest teleports in.
RichardS teleports in.
RichardS says, "Hello, Yucca. What's your name in the unreal world? "
Yucca_Guest says, "Richard - i am in"
RichardS says, "Most folks have moved over to Tracy Mark's room Thalassa, to see additional capabilities. Type @join Torrey"
Yucca_Guest teleports out.
Dicken_Wanderer says, "Woo, this is something! I'm so happy it's working."
Dicken_Wanderer says, "Butterfly type: look just the word no punctuation."
RichardS says, "Ann -- it's working great. I really appreciate your help. (When we tried this last week at a different MOO site, many got confused and couldn't get in. We've got a great success rate this time.)"
RichardS teleports out.
Dicken_Wanderer says, "Richard, I'll hold the fort here. You go join Torrey."
Rose_Guest teleports in.
Dicken_Wanderer rises from the seat.
Dicken_Wanderer Exits to the sound of fading music.
Rose_Guest teleports out.
Lupin_Guest teleports in.
Dicken_Wanderer Arrives with the sound of soft harp strings and tinkling bells.
Lupin_Guest says, "help!"
Dicken_Wanderer says, "Hi Lupin havin' a progblem?"
Dicken_Wanderer says, "To speak, put a " before what you want to say."
Lupin_Guest says, "I was there, then accidentally closed the window, got bumped off, adn now forgot where I was"
Dicken_Wanderer says, "Ah, you're in the conference Room but everyone's with Torrey at her place. You want to go there?"
Lupin_Guest teleports out.
Dicken_Wanderer Exits to the sound of fading music.
Dicken_Wanderer teleports recorder in.
Dicken_Wanderer Arrives with the sound of soft harp strings and tinkling bells.
With a silent splash and a swish of her tail, Torrey the mermaid swims in from the waters of Thalassa.
Several sea-leaf poems lie scattered on the ocean bottom, drenched with the inky blue script of a squid's pen. Their titles read: Lament, Lament2, Poem-for-the-Earthbound, and Seachanty. Among them is a Note to Visitors. Nearby, above a subaquatic window, a Stalactite message board descends from the cavern's roof, illuminated by a Ray of Light.........(You may LOOK or @EXAMINE CAPITALIZED objects, poems, and interior rooms. You may also SIT Seaweed Mat, SIT Puffy Fish Mattress, STAND, PET CoCo, READ Note, READ <Name of Note> ON STALACTITE, and TACK <Name for Your Note> on Stalactite.)
Exits include: [Water] to The Water, [Beach] to Public Beach, [Coral] to Coral Cliffs, [group] to Group Therapy Room
You see CoCo here.
Torrey the mermaid gracefully glides away through the waves.
Marigold_Guest teleports in.
Willow_Guest teleports in.
Maple_Guest teleports in.
You say, "Hello. This is a room I created as parta of an online support group."
== connected = Laurus_Guest ==
Elm_Guest teleports in.
Sycamore_Guest teleports in.
You say, "I'm not a Moo expert...but group members in a support group all created rooms to express their own issues."
RichardS teleports in.
You say, "When you arrive here, you see a description which I created."
== connected = Butterfly_Guest ==
RichardS teleports out.
Iris_Guest teleports in.
Tulip_Guest teleports in.
You say, "When you type look before a word like look Ethel Mer-man's Comedy Club you get a description of what you're looking at."
Marigold_Guest says, "Our students have created rooms which reflect what they know, such as a series of rooms which depict self-organizing systems."
Aspen_Guest teleports in.
You say, "When you type @examine before the name of an object, you get commands you can use with th eobject"
== disconnected = Sunflower_Guest ==
You say, "You can also type things like sit Puffy Fish mattress."
== disconnected = Iris_Guest ==
Iris_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Iris_Guest.
You say, "To pet my dog, type pet CoCo"
== disconnected = Cedar_Guest ==
Willow_Guest pats CoCo's head...
CoCo wags tail, leans up against Willow_Guest's leg and whimpers with delight.
Marigold_Guest pats CoCo's head...
CoCo wags tail, leans up against Marigold_Guest's leg and whimpers with delight.
Tulip_Guest pats CoCo's head...
CoCo wags tail, leans up against Tulip_Guest's leg and whimpers with delight.
You say, "This is not meant to be a business room....just a room for a support group meeting."
Elm_Guest pats CoCo's head...
Marigold_Guest nods to Torrey
CoCo wags tail, leans up against Elm_Guest's leg and whimpers with delight.
== connected = Sunflower_Guest ==
You say, "You can also read notes and writes notes."
Marigold_Guest says, "it seems to me that one of the most important components in learning is the creation of community"
You say, "In the initial description of the room, all words that are capitalized respond to the look command."
Laurus_Guest teleports in.
You say, "Like you type look Note to Visitors"
ChristianF teleports in.
RichardS teleports in.
Tulip_Guest settles lightly into the airy softness of the puffy fish mattress.
Marigold_Guest says, "which mediates the data and information"
ChristianF says, "Great everyone made it into this room!!!"
You say, "You can type look stalactite to see the stalactite message board"
Elm_Guest says, "everything is text? No graphic objects?"
RichardS says, "I'm impressed. 15 people have actually made it through the maze so far."
You say, "If you type @examine Stalactite you see the commands that can be used on stalactite"
You say, "This moo is text-based. Many of the residents here are blind!"
Elm_Guest says, "Are some MOO's graphic based?"
RichardS says, "Is Carole Soule here? Or anyone else from Digital. I want to know if the corporate firewall is causing problems."
You say, "Some moos have visual capabilities (but I haven't been to any of them...I only know the basics here)"
Laurus_Guest says, "Who is Torrey ? [BobZ]"
Sunflower_Guest teleports in.
Tulip_Guest says, "I don't see mto ba able to look Note to Visitors"
Marigold_Guest waves to Dr. Zenhausen
Elm_Guest says, "So the slide show simply publishes pre-recorded text?"
You say, "Elm_Guest, I have links to graphic-based moos on my moo resource page which Richard put in the last transcript"
Sunflower_Guest says, "hello, im robert donnelly of virtual online university ..."
Willow_Guest waves hi to Robert
Maple_Guest says, "Hi robert"
RichardS says, "The anonymity can get confusing. Is that normal is MOOs? Do people ever use their outside world names? (This will be a challenge in constructing the transcript.)"
Laurus_Guest says, "I await instructions [BobZ]"
You say, "Torrey is the name I took in the support group I was in that met on this Moo. This is Tracy Marks."
Marigold_Guest says, "you know, when you talk about a learning organization, community is an integral part of that"
Willow_Guest says, "I'm Ilene or IleneF on MOOs where I have a registered character."
Marigold_Guest says, "[to Richard] the anonymity here for this meeting is unusual,really"
You say, "You can use your regular name. Once you register to be part of a Moo, you can use any name that's not taken."
RichardS says, "I'm Richard Seltzer. "
Elm_Guest says, "I'm Randy Hollister"
RichardS teleports out.
Laurus_Guest says, "I'm Bob@CottageMicro.Com"
Maple_Guest says, "i'm marshall wick gallaudet university, washington, d c "
You say, "All you have to do here is write Dicken_Wanderer (ann parsons) and ask to register for a name..."
ChristianF waves to everybody
Tulip_Guest says, "I'm Laura Rounds (hi Ilene)"
Sunflower_Guest says <To Torrey> "at vou, guests login with their name ... its easier to establish a rapport with them"
ChristianF says, "usually most ppl pick a moo they most often connect to and then they register for a permanent user name"
Sunflower_Guest says, "such as rdonnelly [guest] .... im not sure how we do it tho..."
You say, "Once you have your registered name you just type co yourname yourpassword to log in"
"Then you can register as a builder and learn to create your own room
You say, "Then you can register as a builder and learn to create your own room"
Marigold_Guest says, "This is better than the web chat, I must say."
You say, "Once you're a builder here you can join a grapevine and communicate across the rooms..."
You say, "You can also page people in different rooms by typing page person'sname your message"
Butterfly_Guest teleports in.
Aspen_Guest says, "Madeleine says, taking a walk along the publich beach and smiling at everyone there.""
Elm_Guest says, "Are there simpler ways to get connected than the ones we used today? This would frighten or frustrate most users."
Marigold_Guest says, "the tools and skills that are gained in learning to use a MOO are applicable across fields"
You say, "The software zmud is easy to use. Big screens, and log features."
Aspen_Guest says, "Are we supposed to be able to spy the blackboard or any other objects."
Marigold_Guest says, "and, in working with our students, who are business execs and managers, they grow accustomed rather quickly to the environment"
You say, "The objects in this room don't do very much. You can just type look before typing their name like look Sponge Spa to see what they are."
Elm_Guest says, "I'd like to be able to give someone a simple URL and a login screen"
RichardS teleports in.
Willow_Guest says, "I find that it takes my students a couple of visits to get comfortable MOOing. There's a learning curve, but they catch on pretty fast!"
You say, "You can read some of the poems, like read Lament, or read Note to Visitors"
Sycamore_Guest says, "how much can objects do? how far can you go with them?"
You say, "Again, this isn't meant to be a business environment."
Sunflower_Guest says <To butterflly> "hi... who are you?"
Aspen_Guest says, "Look Sponge Spa""
== connected = Yucca_Guest ==
You say, "Anyone with more programming experience than I have that can say more about objects?"
RichardS says, "Torrey -- chat wasn't meant to be a business environment either, but it can be adapted to work quite well that way (as we've found)."
You say, "Aspen, don't type a quote before a command."
Laurus_Guest says, "MOOing looks like a network of caht rooms with colorful language."
You say, "To see the description of where you are again, just type look and press enter"
Tulip_Guest says, "I can't keep track of all the available commands..."
RichardS says, "With the right set of expectations/common practices and tailored objects, I could easily imagine using a MOO environment for staff meetings and business meetings in general. (The anonymity isn't hardwired in.)"
Marigold_Guest says, "the human experience is the proper business environment, and the MOO affords the flexibility of communication and community that makes it quite congruent."
Elm_Guest says, "Chat is a powerful business tool, but one of its features is its simplicity. I was hoping to discover more power with the same ease of use as chat"
Aspen_Guest says, "says, "I have one screen with a series of rapidly moving text. When I type Look and the name of an object I just see discussion about it in the rapidly moving text. Should I have something else???""
Elm_Guest says, "More like a NetMeeting, with the ability to use graphics, etc."
You say, "Tulip, there are only about 5 or 6 useful commands. It doesn't take too long to learn them."
Willow_Guest says, "Laura, I've got some lists of commands in a notebook in my office"
Laurus_Guest says, "Terry, have you found us ? [BZ]"
Butterfly_Guest says, "are we supposed to see text only?""
RichardS says, "The fact that it is "a network of chat rooms" is particularly interesting to me. I could imagine using this kind of environment to set up a Convention Center -- making it easy for people to reserve different size rooms for different times, set up for different purposes, and even with facilitators on hand."
Marigold_Guest says, "A learning organization should emply a technology which facilitates community"
RichardS teleports out.
You say, "In regard to the complexity here...it isn't the best place for a one-shot meeting. But for a regular meeting place, people have the time to learn a few commands and get comfortable with them."
Laurus_Guest says, "What is the TELEPORTING I see going on [BZ]"
Butterfly_Guest says, "richard, what do you mean by "network of chatrooms""
Willow_Guest says, "The TCC conference (it was an online teaching conference) used MOO to enable all presenters to meet online with their audience"
Marigold_Guest says, "well...when I used the term complexity, I didn't mean complicated :)"
You say, "When people arrive and leave they teleport."
Yucca_Guest teleports in.
Aspen_Guest says, "Sorry nothing seems to happen when I type Look and the name of an object. Should I have another screen?"
Sunflower_Guest says <To Butterfly_Guest> "he popped out .. but the network he's referring to is the system of virtual rooms in a moo..."
Laurus_Guest says, "If I go to another room do I TELEPORT ? [BZ]"
Elm_Guest says, "some would call that "enters" and "leaves""
Butterfly_Guest says, "thanks"
Tulip_Guest says, "it's only limited to the number of rooms programmed?"
You say, "If you type @ways you see the exits to this room. There are about 2000 rooms here. If you know the room number, you can go to it. Once you're registered, you keep your personal database of rooms. Otherwise, you move from room to room by typing the @go #roomnumber or typing the name of the exit."
Willow_Guest says, "On the Internet Public Library MOO you "leave" in a flurry of catalog cards."
You say, "Anyone who becomes a builder can create rooms....I don't imagine there's a limit beyond the server...Again, this Moo is text-based, not visual."
Elm_Guest says, "thanks for the introduction"
Laurus_Guest says, "where is information about setting up a MOO ?[bz]"
Elm_Guest says, "bye"
== disconnected = Elm_Guest ==
Elm_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Elm_Guest.
ChristianF says <To Elm> "Yes, but the MOOs have had a different development than chats so it's called teleport here. It would be called enters when you go to another room via a door/exit"
== disconnected = Tulip_Guest ==
Tulip_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Tulip_Guest.
Tulip_Guest bounces up from the puffy fish mattress.
Butterfly_Guest says, "thanks for clarifying that this is atext moo""
sit puffy fish mattress
You sink into the buoyant puffy fish mattress.
RichardS teleports in.
Maple_Guest asks if there is a web based visual moo available now
Marigold_Guest says, "A moo *can* be designed which exemplifies such ideas as complexity theory, organizational learning, and knowledge management"
You say, "Christian, what visual moos do you recommend?"
Laurus_Guest says, "Is MOO a UNIX application ?"
Marigold_Guest says, "it can run on unix and NT"
== connected = Rose_Guest ==
Butterfly_Guest says, "would it be possible to see a graphic moo""
Aspen_Guest says, ""I'm still wondering about objects and whether I should have another screen to look at them or whether something should happen when I type Look and the name of the object..."
Marigold_Guest says, "though a moo programmed for unix can't be then run on NT and vice versa"
Dicken_Wanderer Arrives with the sound of soft harp strings and tinkling bells.
Laurus_Guest says, "Where can I get info on setting up a MOO[bz]"
Rose_Guest teleports in.
Sunflower_Guest says <To Butterfly_Guest> ".. technically, we use a 'graphic' moo at VOU, using pueblo ... multiple applications in our classes"
ChristianF says <To Laurus_Guest> "check out the help@moo forum at http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/HyperNews/get/moo.html for more info about MOOs and their setup"
Marigold_Guest says, "Just do a search for MOO or go to xeroc parc ftp site"
You say, "Aspen, when you type look nameofobject and enter you see a description of the object. When you type @examine nameofobject you see commands you can use with the object. Like reading and writing..."
Yucca_Guest says, "richard are you in this room"
Willow_Guest says, "There's a new book out called "High Wired: On the Design, Use, and Theory of Educational MOOs" by Haynes and Holmevik about educational MOOs."
Willow_Guest says, "High Wired includes some good info about setting up MOOs."
You say, "In a classroom, a teacher can post assignments etc. and students can leave notes...."
Aspen_Guest says, "Thanks so much."
== disconnected = Rose_Guest ==
Rose_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Rose_Guest.
Willow_Guest says, "What I've always done is depended on the kindness of strangers. People will let you use their MOOs"
Marigold_Guest says, "The first online MBA in France is taught entirely on a MOO"
== connected = Lupin_Guest ==
ChristianF says <To Torrey> "I'm mainly thinking of the vrml interfaces in DU and BioMOO, haven't had time to explore GRMOO thoroughly, so I'm not sure whether it has a VRML view"
Dicken_Wanderer smiles. You are most welcome to GR and our facilities at any time.
Marigold_Guest says, "and the students in that MOO come from Europe, Asia, and LAtin America"
RichardS says, "Is anyone here connected through a firewall? We have someone stuck back in the chat room who thinks that may be his problem."
Yucca_Guest says, "Richard Seltzer are you here?"
Dicken_Wanderer says, "I'll go see."
Butterfly_Guest says, "Mariglod, do you have more information about the moo-based MBA in France?""
Dicken_Wanderer Exits to the sound of fading music.
Laurus_Guest says, "Whew.. sure was a trick trying to copy that url Christian[bz]"
ChristianF says <To Marigold_Guest> "The Principles of Protein Structure Course of the Birkbeck College in London also relies on a MOO system (BiomOO) for its classmeeting"
RichardS says, "Yucca, yes I'm here."
Marigold_Guest says, "there are ways to get past the firewall, but you have to either use Pueblo as a client or get the sysadmin to fix it for you"
You say, "Richard, we're still in my room. Do you want to go back to your conference room?"
RichardS says, "Torrey -- if we can, it would be good to move on over to Christian's room for a quick look. Okay, Christian?"
ChristianF smiles to Laurus_guest "If copying breaks, use http://www.gnacademy.org and click on the link from there (sorry for the late note ;)
ChristianF nods
"Christian, can you tell people the room number of your room?
Marigold_Guest says, "If I lost contact, my email is billp@vousi.com (I love getting email)"
Yucca_Guest says, "okay thanks - not sure how I got the name Yucca"
Lupin_Guest teleports in.
Maple_Guest asks Sunshine what the URL for the vou MOO
ChristianF says, "type @join christianf to follow me"
ChristianF teleports out.
Sunflower_Guest says <To Yucca_Guest> "they are assigned randomly"
RichardS says, "Can we just type @join ChristianF ?"
RichardS teleports out.
You say, "Christian, can you tell people the room number of your room?"
Marigold_Guest says, "see http://www.athena.edu/connect.html"
Sycamore_Guest teleports out.
Aspen_Guest says, "What is the link to Christian's room?"
Butterfly_Guest says, "how do I get to christian's room""
Laurus_Guest teleports out.
Marigold_Guest teleports out.
Maple_Guest teleports out.
Lupin_Guest teleports out.
Willow_Guest teleports out.
Sunflower_Guest teleports out.
Dicken_Wanderer Arrives with the sound of soft harp strings and tinkling bells.
You say, "type @join ChristianF"
You are in a balcony hanging from the wall of a huge, natural vertical shaft. The diffuse lighting from above plays on the rocky outcroppings and glistens on the dripping stalactites.
There are other balconies, each labeled with a banner with the name of their world of origin.
A staircase going up has been cut into the stone wall.
Exits include: [IC] to Information Center
Please wipe your feet and don't pick your nose.
Torrey the mermaid gracefully glides away through the waves.
On BioMOO: ChristianF is here.
On Diversity University: ChristianF is here.
Aspen_Guest teleports in.
Laurus_Guest says, "Where do the cute little sayings come from ? [bz]"
(Torrey conducts other members here from Thalassa...)
ChristianF turns walkman on.
Marigold_Guest says, "there are probably as many different moos as there are people who imagine them"
With a silent splash and a swish of her tail, Torrey the mermaid swims in from the waters of Thalassa.
Aspen_Guest teleports in.
Laurus_Guest says, "Where do the cute little sayings come from ? [bz]"
Torrey teleports out.
ChristianF says, "This room is the meeting room of the Globewide Network Academy. It is a forum and special in the way that it connectes 20 different MOOs around the world. If you type look you can see that I'm connected via BioMOO, Diversity University MOO, and GRMOO"
Lupin_Guest wipe feet
Marigold_Guest says, "People can 'customize' themselves to add personality to otherwise vapid text"
ChristianF says, "Thus, this room can be used to broadcast a lecture to several countries around the world for example"
Maple_Guest says, "i suppose if you use this in a class, you will have the complete list of objects, description of the room, commands, etc. on a separate web page for the students?"
Butterfly_Guest teleports in.
Aspen_Guest says, "ISeeing your welcome mat, I am wondering is it okay to wipe our nose and pick our feet?"
Marigold_Guest says, "perhaps 'strictly text' would be better (though I have read plenty of vapid text in MOO's) ;)"
ChristianF says <To Maple_Guest> "you can have that, but most of the things that are visible or inside the room are described when you enter the room"With a silent splash and a swish of her tail, Torrey the mermaid swims in from the waters of Thalassa.
RichardS says, "Is Dave Griffin here? Did you make it in?"
Laurus_Guest says, "Is there a limit to how many people can be in a room ? [bz]"
ChristianF says, "not really"
Dicken_Wanderer Arrives with the sound of soft harp strings and tinkling bells.
Lupin_Guest says, "you can emote an action by using a colon instread of a quote in front of your text"
Willow_Guest says, "Hey, anyone else going to try attending John Hibbs lecture right now?"
Marigold_Guest says, "I think that lambda maxes out at 250? Simultaneous logins"
RichardS says, "Laurus -- I believe that rooms can be configured for different sizes. The Samizdat room you started in was built (I believe for 30)"
Lupin_Guest emotes
ChristianF says, "It's just the number that makes it difficult to keep track of a conversation, usually you can handle about 10-12 ppl reasonably"
Maple_Guest says, "yes but every time i try to go back to the room description, new text enters and i am scrolled back down to the end again.... same thing with thing to get urls.... they get lost quickly "
Laurus_Guest testing EMOTE [bz]
Marigold_Guest says, "lecture in the moo?"
Sycamore_Guest says, "willow..where is John's lecture..on Audionet isn't it?"
Yucca_Guest teleports in.
ChristianF says, "when there are more, too much typing/talking happens and it's difficult to follow a discussion"
RichardS says, "Where is the Hibbs lecture?"
Aspen_Guest says, ":cocks her ears and considers how best to see the strings and bells in action."
Torrey says, "Maple guest, if you use a simple moo or telnet software, your screen is much easier to read..."
ChristianF nods to marigold_guest
Sunflower_Guest says <To Maple_Guest> "its easier if you use a client such as Pueblo, or savitar on the mac"
Willow_Guest says, "it's at http://www.audionet.com/edu/bfranklin/global/ - real audio and powerpoint slides."
ChristianF says <To Maple_Guest> "When you use a MOO client instead of a plain telnet client, you have the option to scroll back and forth"
Marigold_Guest says, "oh...interesting. Is it also all on the web?"
Lupin_Guest says, "Ilene are you going to that too?"
Willow_Guest says, "It's supposed to be at noon CST. I'm going to go try to log on to it."
Aspen_Guest says, "my actions speak louder than colons (trying that last set of instructions)"
ChristianF says, "and most MOO meetings are or can be logged and a transcript is made available later on"
Sycamore_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Sycamore_Guest.
Willow_Guest says, "See ya. Thanks for the chat!"
Laurus_Guest says, "I wish there was a HOLD button to pause the scrolling. [bz]"
Willow_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Willow_Guest.
Lupin_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Lupin_Guest.
ChristianF says, "as an example for an object to record something, we have a walkman here which I can turn on a off"
ChristianF turns walkman on.
Butterfly_Guest says, "Christian , can the transcript be edited"
Marigold_Guest says, "[To Laurus] You should download a client appropriate to your operating system and avoid telnet"
ChristianF says <To Butterfly_Guest> "Yes, and it can be mailed to you, by using the command @mailme <object-number>"
Butterfly_Guest says, "christian can the transcript be edited""
Yucca_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Yucca_Guest.
Dicken_Wanderer says <To Laurus_Guest> "Yes, there is, if you try @pagelength 25 you'll be asked to type More before more comes. Or, at least I think so. Don't know if that's for the MOO or for TF. But try it."
Butterfly_Guest says, "Thank you christian""
Torrey says, "I have a Moo resource page up at http://www.webwinds.com/irc/chatmoo.htm with basic commands etc and links"
Maple_Guest says, "that is why i stuck to javachat in my course last fall... used daMOO with Pueblo and it was neat but getting students to download and set up clients etc. was a bit too much "
Sunflower_Guest says <To Maple_Guest> "why was it too much? were they having technical problems, or difficulty understanding the app?"
Sunflower_Guest says <To Maple_Guest> "i ask because, many computers have problems still with java, it crashes consistently"
Marigold_Guest says, "actually, it seems to me that that should be part of the learning process: downloading and installing programs is a fundamental skill to be learned."
Laurus_Guest says, "have to move on. Thanks. [bz]"
ChristianF says <To Maple_Guest> "yes, but with the 'new#y' added capability of using a web browser to run a java applet for connecting to a MOO this effectively replaces the MOO clients"
Maple_Guest says, "tech problems getting it downloaded, different clients for different platforms, getting it set up, etc. same experience with TCC conference "
Laurus_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Laurus_Guest.
ChristianF nods to sunflower "But there's hope it will be improved ;-)
Aspen_Guest says, "After various tries, the java entry proved the easiest for me. I was experiencing the same difficulty as Carol Sproule with a non-responsive screen."
Sunflower_Guest says, "but, as marigold (bill painter) said, teaching how to use the various applications should be part of how to use moo/virtual environment technology in education and training"
Dicken_Wanderer smiles. I'm so glad you all decided to try this. I hope you will come back.
Marigold_Guest says, "Well, I just think that teaching online skills is part of teaching online"
RichardS says, "All -- the chat hour is over. You are welcome to continue exploring and learning here. But please, before you sign off, go back to the Web-net chat room and post your email address and URL and also let us know what your alias was over here in MOO world."
Torrey says, "I think one limitation of the java client is that it can't be logged. Or can it? Does anyone know?"
Sunflower_Guest says, "that training is a specific part of our mba program.. many people in business are not up technically in that respect ... its important to how they react in the learning community"
Marigold_Guest says, "[to Richard] Thank you for inviting us. This was a real pleasure"
RichardS says, "All, one way or another I'll be putting together an edited transcript of this experience.
ChristianF says <To Torrey> "Yes, it does not allow to copy from the chat frame"
Maple_Guest says, "i can justify using 20"
Aspen_Guest says, "Thank-you for your smiles and gentle pushes in climbing this slope today. I'll leave my connect info at the other site."
ChristianF nods to RichardS
Butterfly_Guest says, "Yes- Thank you Richard""
Torrey says, "Richard, I'll send you my copy of the log...bye all. Hope I didn't monopolize this too much."
RichardS says, "Thanks very very much to Christian Frosch, Tracy Marks, and Ann Parsons for making this possible."
Marigold_Guest smiles at Torrey
ChristianF says, "A truly virtual meeting with virtual cooperation;-)"
Maple_Guest says, "i can justify using 20 percent of class time to learn the tech parts in a course as it is business related and computer skills important but that is hard for a history teacher to justify "
Dicken_Wanderer Bows. My pleasure friends. I am Ann and DW too. I am the one and the same.
Marigold_Guest says, "yes, thank you to those folks from me as well."
Butterfly_Guest says, "Thanks to all""
RichardS says, "My impression is that over a dozen newcomers made it through and learned a lot today, and through the transcript many more may be introduced to this new mode."
Maple_Guest says, "bye and this was a great demo"
RichardS says, "I'm still puzzled though regarding firewalls. Did anyone behind a firewall make it through?"
Maple_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Maple_Guest.
Sunflower_Guest says <To RichardS> "we would like to invite you to sit in on one of our mba classes online... i think you would find the interaction and interactivity, with business applications, very interesting"
RichardS says, "Marigold -- could you send me email about "some" that have been "implemented effectively"? seltzer@samizdat.com"
Marigold_Guest says, "sure. Glad to. Come visit an MBA class sometime :) You could be a guest speaker. The students would love it"
Marigold_Guest says, "now that you know a bit about moos ;-)"
RichardS says, "Marigold -- what's your name in the unreal world. And what's your school?"
Aspen_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Aspen_Guest. Marigold_Guest says, "we co-designed and co-teach an MBA for the Ecole Superier de Commerce in Pau, France (ESC-Pau). Its accredited by the Conference de Grande Ecoles and the European Foundation for Managtement Development. its at http://www.vousi.com if you want to peek at it"
Dicken_Wanderer says, "This is just as real as the AFK world."
Marigold_Guest says, "[to Dicken] It certainly can be. Just different :)"
Dicken_Wanderer smiles. yes.
Marigold_Guest says, "ESC's page is at http://www.esc-pau.fr"
Torrey says, "Bye all..."
Dicken_Wanderer says <To Marigold_Guest> "Most folks call me DW it's a lot easier to type."
Marigold_Guest says, "I lecture there face-to-face and run online simulations for their students from time to time. Its a great school."
RichardS says, "Thanks again to all. Yes, I'll take a look at your site. (Please, all, when you sign off, stop back at the chat room and enter your email and URL addresses and let us know what alias matches with you."
Marigold_Guest says, "[DW] hehe..thanks! :)"
Dicken_Wanderer smiles. Pas de quoi.
Marigold_Guest hates typing *and* computers for that matter :))
RichardS teleports out.
Torrey has disconnected.
Marigold_Guest waves to everyone
Dicken_Wanderer waves.
Marigold_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Marigold_Guest.
Sunflower_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Sunflower_Guest.
Butterfly_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Butterfly_Guest.
RichardS teleports in.
Dicken_Wanderer waves.
Dicken_Wanderer has disconnected.
nacim -- Nacim checking out--"see" you next week
Richard Seltzer -- All, before you sign off, please post here your email addresses and URLs (and if you connected to the MOO, let us know what your randomly selected alias was over there).
Bob@CottageMicro.Com -- Bob@CottageMicro.Com MOO = Lasurus
Richard Seltzer -- Please send me email with your feedback -- was this a useful experience for you? seltzer@samizdat.com What would you like us to cover next?
Mike Cosgrave -- That was interesting...
Marshall Wick -- Marshall Wick marshall.wick@gallaudet.edu http://www.gallaudet.edu/~emwick This was a very useful experience and good discussion. However, I am not convinced that using a MOO is superior to just a simple java chat where one does not need to learn commands, etc. or worry about missing something important in 'objects' unless it was VERY carefully planned and there was a lot of support for the students to learn navigation, etc. BEFORE they needed to use it.
ChristianF -- Marshall, when it comes to using MOOs, most virtual courses usually start with a week dedicated to getting everyone set up and connected to the MOO. We always had a welcome party at the beginning where ppl could just connect informally and explore the new environment. The MOO certainly enhances the possibilities for creativeness since ppl are free to build something.
madeleine butschler -- Once more, many thanks to all those who made today possible. I'm not sure you need this, but just in case -- Madeleine Butschler mmab@bc.sympatico.ca
WilliamPainter -- Nice to meet everyone. I was Marigold on the MOO. Real name is William Painter, http://www.vousi.com and my email is billp@vousi.com
tracytorrey -- Folks, feel free
to use my Moo resource page for my Internet chat class. http://www.webwinds.com/irc/chatmoo.htm
It
has links to the software and more information.
Tracy Marks checking out....
Richard Seltzer -- Did anyone make it in from behind a firewall?
I want to take a break on May 28. I need to catch my breath and sort out what directions we should head in next.
These are topics that I am considering --
-- Whither goeth the Web? What numbers are available and what can we learn from them (want to contact Jeff Black http://www.imi.com who has access to some unique stats)
-- How to sell books on the Web? (want to contact folks at Sams and Que and other publishers; interested in learning the benefits and drawbacks of making the full text of current books available for free over the Internet)
-- What's the cable modem difference? How will high-bandwidth access alter Web site design and on-line business? Waht's different about the new breed of audience? What do they want and need (want to contact a friend at MediaOne)
-- Jobs and the Internet, and businesses based around helping people find jobs
-- What does it take to make an Internet-based delivery service work? (want to contact Groceries to Go, Peapod, Homeruns, and Shoplink)
-- The Internet and the real estate business
-- Internet business and the senior citizen audience.
Please let me know which (if any) of these topics interest you, and send suggestions for who to contact to ask to join us for these and other topics.
Richard, thought this might be of interest.
Simply,
John Watkins
>From: Internet/BITNET Network Trainers
>[mailto:NETTRAIN@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Katie Gray
>Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 2:20 PM
>To: NETTRAIN@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>Are you implementing or thinking about implementing Web-based courses or a Web-based training program at your company? If so, you're not alone! A recent survey indicates that 89 percent of leading companies are >considering implementing one or more Web-based courses in 1998.
>UOL Publishing, Inc. (http://www.uol.com) invites you to subscribe to our monthly email-based newsletter (free of charge) that provides you updates on the state of the Web-based training industry and new product offerings from UOL Publishing. UOL Publishing works with corporate customers -- large and small -- to implement Web-based training and certification. Our customers include Lucent Technologies, MetLife, Newbridge Networks, Global One, Autodesk, COMFORCE, Graybar Electric Company, All-Phase Electric Supply Company, Dun & Bradstreet, and more!
>In addition to information on UOL's products and services, the monthly newsletter will include "lessons from the field" -- with over 2 years of experience in Web-based education and training, we have identified those factors that contribute to a successful Web-based education and training effort. For example:
>* What are the best ways to market Web-based education and training - internally and externally?
>* How can you keep users engaged in a Web-based training program?
>* How can the Web help you document results and calculate return on investment?
>* What is required with regard to time and resources to implement a Web-based training program?
>* What content works -- and doesn't work -- in a Web-based environment?
>To sign up to receive the newsletter, please send the following email to listserv@uol.com with the Subject heading BLANK and these words in the first line of the body of your email:
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