' Wireless Internet: chat session 1/30/97

BUSINESS ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB --

January 30, 1997 -- Wireless Internet


Transcript of the live chat session that took place Thursday, January 30, 1997. These sessions are scheduled for noon-1 PM US Eastern Time (GMT -4) every Thursday.

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Since the chat itself happens at a rapid pace, it's often difficult to note interesting facts in particular URLs as they appear on-line. Here's a place to take a more leisurely look. I've rearranged some of the pieces to try to capture the various threads of discussion (which sometimes get lost in the rush of live chat).

Please send email with your follow-on questions and comments, and suggions for topics we should focus on in future sessions. So long as the volume of email responses is manageable, I'll post the most pertinent ones here for all to see.


Threads (reconstructed after the fact):


Introductions

Richard Seltzer, 12:02pm (199.3.129.189)The scheduled chat is on Business on the WWW.If you are here for that discussion, please identify yourself.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:02pm (166.72.73.216)Hi.

Tom Dadakis tomdadak@ix.netcom.com(198.211.91.73) Hello.

Richard Seltzer12:03pm (199.3.129.189)Welcome, Alan and Tom --Once again I'm battling a slow connection.700 bps. I'm not sure where the problem lies.

Richard Seltzer12:03pm -- (199.3.129.189)We're here to share experiences about doing business on the Internet -- particularly the World Wide Web. What works? What doesn't work? Why? What are the trends that matter? How can you/should you adapt to the Internet culture and environment?

Bill_H., 12:03pm (192.135.44.202)Hi. I'm here for the Business on the WWW chat.

Richard Seltzer, 12:04pm (199.3.129.189)Hello, Bill_H -- I'm just going through some preliminary info, so we're all oriented.

I work for the Internet Business Group at Digital Equipment inLittleton, MA. In that capacity, I end up talking to people from large companies about how they can use the Web for business.I also have my own personal Web page -- which iscontent rich and no frills -- which I do for practically nothing and draws a fair amount of traffic and attention.

Richard Seltzer, 12:05pm (199.3.129.189)In a chat session like this things can get pretty frantic. It's sometimesdifficult to follow the threads of conversation. And there's notime to write down intering URLs and facts. So last week, I took a copy of the raw transcript and edited it to make the threadsclearer and posted it at my own little Web site so anyone could takea look. You can see it at http://www.samizdat.com/chat26.html I plan to do the same today. Barring technical difficulties, I hopeto have a transcript up later today.

Barbara, 12:05pm (199.93.126.34) I'm here. Instead of taking me through the second page with selecting which chat I wanted, I was sent immediately to the chat after clicking on the Icon on the main page! I'm psyched!

Richard Seltzer, 12:06pm .-- (199.3.129.189)Barb -- glad you were able to connect this time.

Richard Seltzer, 12:07pm (199.3.129.189)Today, we want to continue last week'sdiscussion on Wireless technology and Internet -- what's happening? what are the opportunities? what specialized gadgets are already available? and how can businesses take advantage of them? Check "Wireless Internet & Mobile Computing" http://www.wirelessinternet.com and Unwired Planet http://www.uplanet.com.

Richard Seltzer, 12:08pm (199.3.129.189)By the way, there was lots of good informationin last week's chat. Due to technicalproblems the transcript didn't get upuntil yerday. Sorry about that.Please check it when you canhttp://www.samizdat.com/chat26.html

Richard Seltzer, 12:14pm .(199.3.129.189)By the way, any of you out there who are "lurking" -- reading but not writing --please step forward and identify yourselvesand let us know your inters and yourquions so we can make this session as useful to you as possible. If we need to start with some basic definitions, please holler. That's what we're here for.

Warren H., 12:17pm . (204.163.165.193)Hello

Steve C., scrossmo@csc.com, 12:18pm (204.254.94.5)I am a systems integrator/consultant.

DAW, 12:32pm -- (199.232.253.4)Good afternoon Richard. Just "listening."


Wireless Internet and Mobile Computing Newsletter & Web Site

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com,I've been analyzing the mobile computing and mobile communications industry since 1978, and now write a biweekly newsletter on wireless Internet and mobile computing.

Tom Dadakis tomdadak@ix.netcom.com, 12:05pm (198.211.91.73)Alan, do you email your newsletter?

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:07pm .(166.72.73.216)Tom, my newsletter is basically a biweekly paper copy for $595 a year. I also provide some information on my Web site, but, quite frankly, people will pay for a paper version, but not for a Web-only version! However, I would be glad to send e-mail versions to subscribers, if they wish.

Richard Seltzer, 12:09pm (199.3.129.189)Alan -- In your newsletter do you deal just with the technology issues related towireless Internet? Or do you also deal with the business models -- in other words,how online businesses can use wireless capabilities to better serve customers and generate revenue.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:11pm .(166.72.73.216)Richard, I deal with both issues. I write about the technologies -- packet radio, new wireless devices, etc. I also write a great deal about business issues. Indeed, the business of wireless Internet is more important than gizmo side.

Tom Dadakis tomdadak@ix.netcom.com, 12:25pm(198.211.91.73)Alan, do you list these providers and review their service at your website?

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:27pm (166.72.73.216)Tom, I do have some information, mainly in articles. I need to update my site! But I would be glad to provide you with additional information. Send me e-mail to areiter@ibm.net (no, I don't work for IBM!) or reiter@wirelessinternet.com.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:09pm .(166.72.73.216)Richard, I also could discuss how wireless companies are trying to do business on the Web. For example, Cellmart, www.cellmart.com, can sign you up for cellular service. Some paging companies really want to use the Web to sign up customers because that cut's out the reseller, which takes a hefty cut of revenues.

Richard Seltzer, 12:12pm (199.3.129.189)Alan --How cellular companies are using theInternet to promote their business is interesting. But far more interesting is how wireless Internet customers are building businesses/services around the new capabilities.


Wireless Bandwidth and Cost

Tom Dadakis, tomdadak@ix.netcom.com, 12:10pm .(198.211.91.73)What type of bandwidth are we talking about with wireless internet? How much throughput, say in bps, so I have sometyhing to reference to?

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:13pm .(166.72.73.216)Most wireless airtime speeds for mobile networks, rather than fixed wireless systems, are between 4,800 and 28.8K bps -- actual throughput. With regular circuit switched cellular you can get up to about 10K bps to maybe 12K, though in good environments you might get a bit more. With paging, the typical airtime speed is 6K. With Metricom it's about 9,6K to 20K.

Tom Dadakis tomdadak@ix.netcom.com, 12:16pm .(198.211.91.73)So it is like a modem, rather than a T-1. What would be the average monthly cost?

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:22pm .(166.72.73.216)Tom, the costs for wireless Internet are about $25 - $100 a month. For CDPD, the packet charge is about 8 cents per kilobyte -- but these rates are negotiable. With Ram and Ardis, you can get a rate of, say, 75,000 for $35 a month. For Metricom, you can get unlimited wireless access for $29.95 a month. The cost of the devices range from $299 for Metricom's radio modem to $499 for a PC Card for Ram to about $800 for a CDPD radio modem.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:32pm (166.72.73.216)Steve, Metricom in the San Francisco, Silicon Valley, Seattle and Washington, D.C. areas provides what you might want. It is true Internet access. But, you need a radio modem which weighs around and pound and connects to a notebook computer with a cable.


Definition of Wireless

barbara, 12:20pm (199.93.126.34)Could I have a "basic definition" of what wireless Intenet is?

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:25pm (166.72.73.216)Barbara, I guess a basic definition for wireless Internet would be a way to access the Internet by using the radio spectrum rather than landlines. This could be using the Internet to send e-mail to an alphanumeric pager, connecting a cellular phone to a laptop computer, building a packet modem into a cellular phone or setting up a fixed antenna on the roof of your building and connecting you desktop PCs.


The Wireless Opportunity

Richard Seltzer, 12:11pm (199.3.129.189)Alan -- I'm thinking of wireless as an important piece of a very large puzzle --something that people trying to do business over the Internet need to take into account, need to include in their plans. It feels like more than just another means of providing signals. It seems to open a whole new realm of uses and services.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:15pm .(166.72.73.216)Richard, some companies have indeed built their businesses around wireless access, such as Federal Express. Also, UPS uses wireless to compete against FedEx. However, integrating the Internet with wireless is still so new, that it's difficult to cite examples.

Richard Seltzer, 12:17pm -- (199.3.129.189)For FedEx and UPS, how are they using it? Just for uploading signatures?For brief email messages as well?What kind of device does the driver in the field use? What's the speed? Arethere reliability issues? Issues about geographical location and how far you are from your home base?

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:17pm (166.72.73.216)Beginning this year you should see a lot of interesting things going on in wireless Internet because companies will begin testing two-way paging (over Skytel) and over the packet radio networks of Ram Mobile Data and Ardis. All these companies will introduce two-way paging, with Internet connectivity, including devices with on-screen or keyboards -- picture a large pager with a keyboard attached.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:42pm .(166.72.73.216)Microsoft is quite interested in using wireless for new generations of Windows CE devices -- specifically the PC Wallet (is that the name, I'm afraid I forgot!). This is a device that's smaller than today's Windows CE palmtops-on-steroids products, and you would indeed use (Microsoft believes) for e-mail, shopping, an address book, etc.

Bill_H., 12:43pm (192.135.44.202)Alan - "many pagers today have Internet addresses"? You mean IP addresses, just like I get when I connect to my ISP (using PPP)?

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:48pm .(166.72.73.216)Bill, I would estimate that there hundreds of thousands, perhaps a few millions that have the capability to receive Internet e-mail. For example, you would simply send a message to 123456@skytel.com and it would be routed to the pager. Also, a PCS operator, Omnipoint, provides an Internet address for each handset, though this service isn't being widely promoted yet. As for TCP/IP as a wireless transport -- it's awful! It's not efficient; too many acknowledgments, etc. UDP is used in many cases.

Lenny, 12:50pm (207.135.26.132)UDP? no file transfer, remote terminal emulation, or messaging.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:53pm (166.72.73.216)Lenny, the cost of transferring long files is pretty expensive in wireless. There are terminal emulation programs for connecting mainframes applications to wireless networks. It's not the most efficient way, but it can be done.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:55pm .(166.72.73.216)By-the-way, this year you will see ISPs in the US and Canada selling wireless Internet service for, I believe, Ram Mobile Data and maybe Ardis and paging systems. Netcom is working with RadioMail, a wireless data gateway provider, to provide this service in the the first quarter of the year.


Wireless and Electronic Commerce

Steve C., scrossmo@csc.com, 12:17pm .(204.254.94.5)Mobile sales personnel will need wireless internet technologies in order to take full advantage of electronic commerce. I think wireless internet technologies will be in high demand for that reason.

Richard Seltzer, 12:20pm (199.3.129.189)Steve C. --When you are talking about access for sales people, are you thinking in terms of two-way email over paging systems?Or do you have something more elaborate in mind (for the short term)? Do you have any examples (real or thought-experiment)?

Steve C., scrossmo@csc.com, 12:25pm.(204.254.94.5)I was thinking more in terms of salespeople using Web-based electronic commerce products while on the road. With companies like Open Market and Connect coming up with ways to perform secure transactions, I would think that ECommerce on the net is going to start really growing. Therefore, mobile salespeople are going to have to connect while on the road with their laptops.

Richard Seltzer, 12:30pm (199.3.129.189)Steve C. --another aspect of electronic commerce --sheer speculation on my part -- I could imagine limited function very-inexpensive wireless devices hooked up to particular stores or sets of stores. E.g., the on-linefood shopping like Peapod and Shoplink don't seem particularly appealing to me right nowbecause I'd have to sit at my PC and dial up the network and go through a set of identification/verification steps -- I'd rather just drive to the store. But if I had a pocketsized gadet that immediately connected tothe store and knew who I was without much hassle, I could order food for supper whiledriving home from work, or while at thekid's Little League practice, or while tied up in meetings at the office.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:30pm .(166.72.73.216)Steve, the wireless data industry basically services field service personnel, couriers, truckers -- who aren't interested in the Internet. These markets are interested in dispatching and some transactions over non-TCP/IP channels. The concept of using wireless to conduct transactions is so new that wireless companies are still trying to learn how to provide reliable Internet access rather than offering transactions now.

Richard Seltzer, 12:35pm (199.3.129.189)Alan --I think the key phrase is "who aren't interested in the Internet". I believe that increasingly people who aren't interested in the Internet will be using the Internet without needing to know that they are.I suspect that many wireless apps thatexist today as standalones will come touse the Internet, not just as a transmission environment/medium, but also to provide additional services and access to additional data that those field service folks and truck drivers could use to do their jobsmore efficiently. And I could imaginea whole range of gadgets that use Internet signals to provide very limited/targeted information and services to a set of subscribers.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:39pm (166.72.73.216)Richard, the trick is getting the prices right and offering the right service for the right device. For example, I have a two-way from Wireless Access using the new Skytel 2-Way network. It's a small pager with an on-screen keyboard, which isn't designed for anything more than very short messages or sending pre-programmed responses. Skytel 2-Way charges $24.95 a month for 100, 80-character messages. For sending long messages, this could really add up -- but the pager is a very onvenient device to use.rdis and Ram charge much less, but you ned a more expensive PC Card or external radio modem.The wireless industry WANTS to offer Internet-based services -- many pagers today have Internet addresses -- but it's not easy to come up with the right applications at the right price for the right device.

Richard Seltzer, 12:44pm -- (199.3.129.189)Alan --Right on target -- the right devices at the right price for the right audience.Solving that puzzle is an enormous business opportunity.

barbara, 12:31pm (199.93.126.34)Another electronic commerce company is Elcom Systems in Westwood. I work for them. We sell full-circle electronic commerce software.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:34pm (166.72.73.216)Barbara, the wireless industry would LOVE to activate customers via the Web. They would love to sell them additional information services.

Steve C., scrossmo@csc.com, 12:37pm (204.254.94.5)Richard -- I don't think your speculation is off base. Using the web/internet as sort of a "back-end", it is certainly possibly to create a limitless number of "front-end", including such thiings as hand held grocery shopping devices. As transaction standards continue to evolve, it will become ossible to do all sorts of things with hand held gadgets. However, I'm not sure which industries will choose to go this route rather than just come up with an application that used via your laptop. I suppose it would be possible to have a home banking gadget that could attach to your checkbook... or even BE your checkbook.

Richard Seltzer, 12:43pm (199.3.129.189)Steve C. --The advantage of relatively dumb and inexpensive gadgets is that they can be very easy to use and can reach a much wider, consumer audience. They could even be cheap enough to give away.On the negative side, it's handy to have an all-powerful laptop that can do everything,rather than dozens of throw-away (easy to lose) gadgets. I thinks there's room in the world for both, and that the gadgets will vastly open up the marketplace.


High Speed Wireless Business Connections

Bill Gassman: Gassman@zko.dec.com, 12:18pm .(204.123.2.44)Bill Gassman here from Digital's ISP group. I'm intered inseeing if there is discussion about high speed wireless business connections such as Spike Technologies has. 10 megabits over microwavewith T1 prices starts changing the landscape a bit.

Richard Seltzer, 12:24pm (199.3.129.189)Bill Gassman --Can you tell us more about that "Spike"technology? The more basic the definitions the better. Trying to put that into thecontext of today's capabilities and giving us a sense of how far off in the futurethose higher speeds may be.

Bill Gassman: Gassman@zko.dec.com, 12:24pm .(204.123.2.44)Spike is a "fixed wireless" technology, and uses cable modems, which are starting to see encryption features.

Tom Dadakis tomdadak@ix.netcom.com, 12:20pm .(198.211.91.73)Bill, Spike would have to be line of sight if it is microwave. Wouldn't that limit one's mobility?

Bill Gassman: Gassman@zko.dec.com, 12:28pm (204.123.2.44)Spike uses a central microwave antenna, with focused beams from 1/2 degree to 22 degrees, in the 2 gigahertz range. The provisioning cost at the end user includes a $50 antenna, a $200 radio,and a $600-$1200 cable modem. The central antenna can support multiple ethernet channels by reusingthe same frequency on different beams. Each end user is on an Ethernet segment, which is then switchedto an Internet backbone provider, or concentrated for a private network.

Richard Seltzer, 12:31pm (199.3.129.189)Bill Gassman --Who sells Spike? And who uses it today?You say that this approach uses cablemodems. Is this a competitor to Internetover TV-cable lines? Or in some way asupplement to it?

Bill_H, 12:32pm (192.135.44.202)Bill Gassman - Is this microware channel two way?

Bill Gassman: Gassman@zko.dec.com, 12:42pm (204.123.2.44)Spike Technologies is out of Nashua, New Hampshire. They make the equipment, and also run a proof ofconcept ISP called Third Rail. They are selling to telcos and other ISPs around the globe. I think theyhave about a half dozen reps, with some in Europe, Asia, and US. It's two way - uses CSMACD since it'sethernet - radio travels faster than a signal on a cable, so it works on a 20 mile radius or so. It's an alternative to cable, but doesn't require the cables - so it's easy to set up and get running quickly.However, the capital cost can be 5-10 million - the cost of the central antenna is VERY expensive (at least till they get some volume).

Richard Seltzer, 12:46pm (199.3.129.189)Bill Gassman --Sounds like an ISP or a company might choose to go with Spike and the endusers could be getting signals over wires.Is that the case?

Bill Gassman: Gassman@zko.dec.com, 12:53pm .(204.123.2.44)Richard, an ISP could still connect end users over wires and uplink over the microwave but I thinkthe more typical case would be to connect businesses full time with the microwave system, then use wired T3 as an uplink. Another use is for private networking. The NH State Police are piloting a system, andthe city of Nashua is using the technology for court TV - where the Judge can try cases from his home dressed in jammies in the middle of the night, or testimony can occur from jail, saving transportationand security costs. It's not just Internet. The ease of setting the system up and tearing it down (takes15 minutes to "sync") is one of the advantages of non-moving wireless. No city wide infrastructure costs.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:56pm (166.72.73.216)Richard, in the UK, PCS-GSM operators have connected their switches directly to ISPs. So, when a PCS phone user accesses the Internet, it's faster and cheaper. You probably will see this happening in the US, too.


Definitions -- "fixed wireless" and "mobile wireless"

Bill_H., 12:17pm . (192.135.44.202)What's 'fixed wireless' vs 'mobile wireless'?

Richard Seltzer, 12:16pm (199.3.129.189)Alan -- Can you tell us more about the difference between mobile and fixed wireless networks and how they are used.Will "mobile" go away when there are eventually fixed wireless connections everywhere? Or am I misunderstanding?

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:20pm .(166.72.73.216) Richard, "fixed wireless" seems like an oxymoron! Fixed is when the device doesn't move or move much. For example, schools can ablished fixed wireless networks on computers in desktops, but the systems are designed for machines that you don't carry around with you. You get higher speeds this way -- you don't have to worry about moving from cell to cell, for example. With mobile wireless Internet, I mean paging, Ram, Ardis, Metricom, PCS, cellular, where you can move around the city or country with your palmtop, laptop, etc.

Richard Seltzer, 12:22pm (199.3.129.189)Alan --I guess the concepts of fixed vs. mobile begin to blur with fixed devices that anyone can use become ubiquitous (more ubiquitous thanphone booths). then you don't have tocarry a gadget around with you all the time.But that's probably distant future.

Bill_H, 12:24pm (192.135.44.202)Alan - thanks. Does 'fixed wireless' include infared communications or are we only talking radio waves?A

Richard Seltzer, 12:25pm (199.3.129.189)Bill_H --I hope we're talking about all forms of wireless -- whenever the device you are using does not need a visible physicalconnection to a network. Let's keep thediscussion broad. To me a TV remote control is wireless, as is cellular telephone, as is a two-way radio.

Richard Seltzer, 12:40pm (199.3.129.189)Let me try to orient myself (in my ignorance).It feels like there is a range of wireless technology -- from infrared for very short range line-of-sightconnections, to radio/cellular phone kindsof connections from individuals who roam totheir home base, to microwave high speedlinks between distant fixed points, tosatellite signals (or is that the same asmicrowave, only bounced). Does this makesense? Please correct an educate me, and help me understand the various realms of usage.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:44pm .(166.72.73.216)Richard, you're right. There are a great many technologies: infrared, spread spectrum, TDMA, CDMA, microwave, etc. Infrared and spread spectrum are often used for wireless LANs -- a whole other subject.

Lenny, 12:46pm .(207.135.26.132)Microwave has 2 forms: terrrial (ground mounted parabolic dishes) and satellite (connecting 2 points on earth surface via satellite). Infra-red has 2 forms: broadcast (like radio), and line of sight (like laser). Radio has 3 forms: short range single freq., long range single freq., and spread spectrum.

Richard Seltzer, 12:47pm (199.3.129.189)Lenny --Welcome and thanks for the explanation.


Wireless and Encryption

Rich, 12:19pm (199.29.161.38)Is there support for real encryption on this "wireless Internet"?

Wrapup

barbara, 12:49pm.(199.93.126.34)It sounds to me that this technology is only in its infancy stage and still needs work, kind of like web tv.

Richard Seltzer, 12:51pm (199.3.129.189)Yes, Barb, I believe that this technology is very much in its infancy and that it's potential is enormous.Hence if you are making Internet-related business plans you should keep a close eye on it and try to find ways to experimentwith it and add it to your repertoire.

Richard Seltzer, 12:48pm (199.3.129.189)As usual, time is moving very quickly,and just when the conversation reach the point that I can't read fast enoughthe hour starts to run out.Keep in mind that I'll post an editedversion of the transcript (reconstructing threads of discussion as best I can).Check http://www.samizdat.com/index.html#chat

Richard Seltzer, 12:50pm (199.3.129.189)Our current schedule of future topics is as follows: Feb. 6 -- International aspects of Internet business -- translation, local language, cultural barriers to on-line business; advantages and disadvantages of a local vs. a global approach to on-line business. Check http://www.eurolinks.com and http://www.japanbiztech.com Feb. 13 -- Distance education/training/on-line meetings -- what does it take to make these work? Feb. 20 -- Electronic commerce -- how do you spell success in today's marketplace? where should companies focus their efforts to get the best return for their Internet investments? This is always subject to change.Please send me email with your intersand preferences and suggestions. Normally, too, discussions like this spill over tofollowing weeks. Please send email with your followon comments so I can add them to the transcript.You can reach me at seltzer@samizdat.com

Richard Seltzer, 12:53pm (199.3.129.189)Regarding next week -- we want to focus on "international" next week, but thatmight have interesting implications forwireless applications. It seems likesome wireless implementations (likecellular phone) have natural geographic limits. It might be possible and desirable to set up local language services over the Internet that are wireless based.

Richard Seltzer .12:55pm (199.3.129.189)Also, today the Internet is a "global"phenomenon already, but it is English centric. As the audience broadens (withall these less expensive gadgets) English-only will only skim the top. And even forEnglish as second language folks youdon't really connect with them untilyou address them in their native language.Only that way will you add them to your community. And think not just language,but culture and law. Very important for future electronic commerce.

Richard Seltzer, 12:56pm (199.3.129.189)All, please, before you sign off, give us your email and Web addresses sowe can continue these discussions.

barbara, 12:57pm (199.93.126.34)I have to sign off, but since Richard always asks for people's addresses, my address is bseltzer@elcom.com. Elcom Systems' website is http://www.elcom.com. Check us out.

Alan Reiter, www.wirelessinternet.com, 12:58pm .(166.72.73.216)My Web address is www.wirelessinternet.com. My e-mail is either areiter@ibm.net or reiter@wirelessinternet.com.

Bill_H, 12:58pm (192.135.44.202)Alan - thanks for the info. I think I understand. In the general pager case you send a message to the pager service provider, which has an IP address, and it routes the message to the pager (which does not need it's own IP address).

Steve C., scrossmo@csc.com, 12:58pm (204.254.94.5)Signing off. Once again, I am systems interator. I'm looking forward to the international discussion.

Lenny,. 12:59pm . (207.135.26.132) lenny_fama@peoplesoft.com---http://www.peoplesoft.com---Forbes #1 Corp. for B Companies to Work for.

DAW, 1:00pm (199.232.253.4) reicdaw@ziplink.netGood day Richrd, And all. Until Next week. DAW.

Richard Seltzer, 12:57pm (199.3.129.189)All -- let me know if you want me to add you to my chat reminder email list.seltzer@samizdat.com And please check for the transcript (andread last week's) at http://www.samizdat.com/index.html#chat

Richard Seltzer, 12:58pm (199.3.129.189)Thanks to all for joining us and sharing your knowledge and insights.


Asian Internet -- an upcoming seminar

From: THETONE1@aol.com, Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:25:45 -0500 (EST)

Thank you very much for including us in your group and referring members to our site. I would like to let you know about our seminar February 20 on the Asian Internet (full seminar program below).

Tony Bucher, Nikkei BP BizTech Seminar Program

WIRED INTO ASIA: Defining & Capitalizing on the Asian Internet

Date: February 20, 1997, Place: San Jose Fairmont Hotel

Attendees: 300-500 International Executives in North American High Technology firms

Price: $600-1000

PROGRAM

8:00-8:45 Breakfast -- Understanding Cultural Issues Leading to Success, Berlitz International Executive

9:00- Opening Remarks by Doug Kaplan, VP Nikkei BP BizTech, Introducing Nikkei Research White Paper on Asian Internet

9:15 Opportunities in the Asian Internet, Managing Director of Lotus, Mark Ginsburg

9:45 Succeeding in the Asian High Technology Markets, Marketing Manager, Internet Business, Digital Equipment Corporation Asia Pacific, Jeevan Kumaran

10:30 Electronic Commerce in Asia, Bruce Wilson, Senior Vice President, CyberCash

10:45 Launching Electronic Commerce Business in Asia, Stratton Sclavos, CEO of Verisign

11:05 Panel Discussion on Electronic Commerce in Asia

Moderator: Professor William Miller, Stanford Graduate School of Business, Vice Chairman of the Board: Smart Valley

2:00 How does Asia view the Asian Internet (20 min each)

4:40 How US companies view opportunities in the Asian Internet, Albert Fung, Regional Director of Asia Pacific, Netscape Communications Stephen Wu, Regional Director, Asia and Pacific, Microsoft Public Networks Allan Miner, Vice President, Oracle Corporation Sun Microsystems Executive

5:00 Panel Discussion: How do US companies view the Asian Internet International Executives from Oracle, Microsoft, Netscape, Sun Microsystems,

6:00 Closing Remarks by Yasuo Naito, president of Nikkei BP Biztech


Web Layout Tool Makes it Easy to Design Multi-language Sites

From: Kaye Vivian <kvivian@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 22:20:17 -0500

Once again I have a schedule conflict. I'm sorry. I will attend the following Thursday, since I have been keenly chasing conference/chat software and options for the last several weeks. I probably have some information to share and I definitely would like more input.

As for tomorrow's conference, I will chip in one little tidbit related to that discussion that I would have mentioned, had I been there. Last week I installed NetObjects Fusion...the new beta version (2.0f)... and it is a *fabulous* product for those web site developers coming more from a desktop publishing background. (http://www.netobjects.com/netobjects_home.html) It uses templates and frames (in the desktop publishing sense) to lay out work visually on a page. Then once you have it the way you want it visually, it converts it to HTML code. So it's not an HTML editor...I still have to use Netscape 3.0g for that after the page is "final".

It's truly a web layout program, combined with a really good site manager facility. And the whole thing is very intuitive...much easier to use than Microsoft's FrontPage, which I have been using, and apparently just as powerful. What's relevant to your session tomorrow is that you can offer text or multilanguage site versions by simply clicking a button! This is a really wonderful product and deserves all the rave press it's been getting. I'm about to develop a multilingual site, and I'll let you know how it works out.

Kaye Vivian kvivian@cloud9.net

P.S. The software download is a big commitment...it's a 15 meg download that expands to take about 35 or 40 megs of disk space.


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