Ancestor surfing

The line Seltzer-Estes-Bates-Fleming-Graham-Keith-Gordon/Seton-Stewart-Bruce-Dunkeld-Alpin

59 generations back before 500 AD in Scotland

Includes the Stewart Dynasty of Kings of Scotland from Robert II to James I (reigning 1371-1437); the Bruce Dynasty of Kings of Scotland Robert I; the Dunkeld Dynasty of Kings of Scotland Duncan I (murdered by Macbeth), Malcolm III (who killed Macbeth); and the Alpin Dynasty of Kings of Scotland Malcolm II, Kenneth II, Malcolm I, Donald II, Constantine I, and Kenneth I (reigned 834- 1034)

Introduction about "ancestor surfing" (using Wikipedia to help track your ancestors)

Links from names go to Wikipedia www.wikipedia.org or The Peerage www.thepeerage.com

1 Adela Rose Seltzer b. Nov. 9, 2007

daughter of

2 Robert Richard Hartley Seltzer b. July 29, 1975 md.  Aug. 10, 2002 in Boston, MA Stacey Denenberg b. July 18, 1976
2 Heather Katherine Hartley Seltzer b. August 13, 1977
2 Michael Richard Hartley Seltzer b. June 14, 1980
2 Timothy Richard Hartley Seltzer b. Oct. 5, 1989

children of

3 Richard Warren Seltzer, Jr. b. Feb. 23, 1946, md. July 28, 1973 in Boston, MABarbara Hartley b. Feb. 20, 1950

Richard = son of

4 Helen Estes b. Jan. 31, 1920 md. June 5, 1944 in Philadelphia, PA Richard Warren Seltzer, Sr. b. June 5, 1923

Helen = daughter of

5 Smith William Estes  b. June 17, 1881 d. 1943 md. in Philadelphia, PA  1905 May Griffith (1883-1930)

Smith = son of

6 Louis Powhatan Estes (Nov. 22, 1849 - Sept. 6, 1902) md. Oct. 30, 1875 Lily Yates Moore (May 13, 1853 - March 8, 1929) (daughter of S.W. Moore and Mary Yates)

Louis = son of

7 Albert Monroe Estes (Nov. 19, 1804 in Bedford County, VA - Dec. 22, 1863 in Haywood County, TN) md. Nov. 17, 1848 Mildred Colman (daughter of Dr. Benjamin Colman and Mildred Wharton of New Jersey) (c. 1823- Nov. 30, 1849)

Albert = son of

8 Sarah Langhorne Bates (1781- 1825 near Brownsville, Haywood County, TN)  md. Oct. 13, 1801 in Chesterfield County, VA Joel Estes (1780-1833) (son of Benjamin Estes and Cecelia Rebecca Thorpe)

Sarah = daughter of

9 Daniel Bates (July 6, 1756 - c. 1801) md. May 21, 1776in Chesterfield County, VA  Elizabeth Cary Bell ( b. about 1758 in Virginia, d. 1825 in Kentucky) daughter of David Bell and Judith Cary

Daniel = son of

10 James Bates (MaRCH 7, 1721 - nOV. 9, 1786) md. Nov. 11, 1746 in Goochland County, St. James Wortham parish, VA Winnifred Grymes or Grimes or Hix (b. Jan. 18, 1729 in Goochland)

James = son of

11 Susannah Tarleton Fleming md. about 1709 John Bates (1685-1723)

Susannah = daughter of

12 Charles Fleming (b. 1667) (of New Kent County, VA) md. Susannah Tarleton (d. 1687) (daughter of Stephen Tarleton)

Charles = son of

13 John Fleming (? may have emigrated from England to Virginia d. April 27, 1686 in New Kent County, VA, St. Peter's Parish Register) According to "Fleming Family" by Lyon G. Tyler, William and Mary Quarterly Vol. 12, 1093, pp. 45-47, "I think he was the father of Charles Fleming who md. Susannah ___.  She was probably a daughter of Stephen Tarleton."  John Fliming, 493 acres in New Kent County on south side of Yorke River 2 march 1661 per page 397 Parent Book No. 4.

Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol.XLV (1937) p. 64 "Judith Fleming ws daugther of Charles Fleming and Susannah Tarleton.  The first of her fmaily in Virginia was Thomas Fleming who md. Miss Tarleton of England (of the same famly as Colonel Banastre Tarlton, the noted British Cavalry officer of the time of the American Revolution) and emigrated to Virginia in 1616.  he left three sons and several daugthers.  The sons were Tarleton, John, and Charles." p. 95 "Elizabeth Champe md. William Fleming; he was the son of Colon John Fleming (1697-1766) of 'Mount Pleasant' and Mary Kennon Bolling of 'Cobbs,' and the gradson of Charles Fleming ( b. 1667) who ws third in descent from Sir John Fleming who was the first Earl of Wigton in Scotland."

[Cary-Estes Genealogy p.86-87]

John = son of

14 Thomas Fleming (?emigrated from England to Virginia in 1616) md. Miss Tarleton of England

Thomas = son of

15 Lilias Graham md. Lord John Fleming (1567-1619) 6th Lord Fleming,  first Earl of Wigton in Scotland from 1606 [His line]
"Biggar and the House of Fleming" by William Hunter, F.S.a. Scot. Pages 551-552, 557:
"Lord Fleming married Lady Lilias Graham, a daughter of John, Earl of Montrose.  Her ladyship was distinguished for her piety and devotion and her zealous efforts to prmoote the principles of the Reformation.  Livingstone, in his 'Characterisitcs' says of her, 'When I was a child I have often seen her at my father's at the preachings and communions.  While dressing she read the Bible, and every day at that time shed more tears (said one) than ever I did in my life.'"
"The Earl died in April 1619 leaving three sons and five daughters and was succeeded by his eldes son John who warmly embraced his mother's ecclesiastical opinions and was as zealous of the cause of Presbyterianism as his forefathers had been in the maintenance of Popery.
"He married Margaret, daughter of Alexander Livingstone, first Earl of Linlithgow, a lady of amiable disposition and great piety who entered cordially into the religious views and schemes of her husband.  They not only attended the ministrations of the settled Protestant clergy, but for some time maintained a chaplain of their own family." (page 552)
William and Mary Quarterly, Volume XII (1903) pp. 45-47 by Lyon G. Tyler vies the names of two sons, John and Charles.  "While his second son, Sir Thomas Fleming, is said to have emigrated to the Virginia colony and became the progentiro fhte Virginia branch of the family.  Mr. Brock states ('Richmond Standard,' Feb. 7, 1880) that he married Miss Tarleton and had Tartleton, John and Charles.  Mr. Brock's information it is believed, is derived from family tradition.  There is, nevertheless, no mention as far as I have been able to ascertian in the records of Virginia, of any Sir Thomas Fleming.  The earliest perosn of the name was John fleming, who I am inclined to believe was the emigrant". (Lyon G. Tyler)

[Cary-Estes Genealogy p. 85-87]

Lilias = daughter of

16 John Graham, third Earl of Montrose (1548-1608), Chancellor of the University of St. Andrews 1599-1604  md.  Joan Drummond

(Joan "dau. of David Drummond, Second and Lord, and Lilias Ruthven; son of Walter Drummond; son of William Drummond and Isabel Campbell, dau. of Colin Campbell, Earl of Argyle; son of Sir John Drummond and Eliza Lindsey) [Cary-Estes Genealogy p. 85] [Her line]

John = son of

17 Robert Graham md. Margaret Fleming d. 1547 [Her line]

Robert = son of

18  Lady Janet Keith md. William Graham, second Earl of Montrose (1492-1571) [His line]

Janet = daughter of

19  Lady Elizabeth or Eliza Gordon md. William Keith 2nd Earl Marischal

Eliza = daughter of

20 Annabella Stewart (1433-1471) md. George Gordon, Earl of Huntly (before 1455-1501), Chancellor of Scotland (1498-1501) [His line]

Annabella = daughter of

21 King James I of Scotland (Stewart) (1394-1437) md. 1424 Joan Beaufort (1404-1445) [Her line]

James = son of

22 King Robert III of Scotland (1340-1406), reigned 1390-1406 md.1367 Annabella Drummond (1350-1401) [Her line]
[overlaps another line]

Robert = son of

23 King Robert II of Scotland (1316-1390), reigned 1371-1390 unmarried Elizabeth Mure (later legitimized with formal marrage 1349)

Robert = son of

24 Marjorie Bruce  (1296-1316) md. Walter Stewart, 6th High Steward of Scotland (d. 1326) [His line]

Marjorie = daughter of

25 King Robert I of Scotland AKA Robert the Bruce (July 11, 1274-June 7, 1329) reigned 1306-1329  = "fourth great-gradson of David I of Scotland"  [overlaps another line] md. Isabella of Mar (c. 1277-1296) daughter of  Domhnall I, Earl of Mar from 1276 until c. 1297-1302 md. Helen or Ellen (1246-1295)

Robert = son of

26 Robert de Brus, 6th Lord of Annandale and Earl of Carrick md. Marjorie, Countess of Carrick (before 1256-1292) daugther of Niall, Earl of Carrick and Margaret Stewart

Robert = son of

27 Robert de Brus, 5th Lord of Annandale (c. 1215-1295) md. Isobel de Calre, daughter of the Earl of Gloucester and Hertford

Robert = son of

28   Isabella or Isobel of Huntingdon (1199-1251) md.  Robert Bruce, 4th Lord of Annandale (d. between 1226 and 1233) [His line]

Isabella = daughter of

29 David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon (c. 1144 - June 17, 1219) md. Maud of Chester, daughter of Hugh de Kevlioc, 3rd Earl of Chester  [Her line]

David = son of

30 Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon and Northamption and  Earl of Northumberland (1114 - June 12, 1152) md. Ada de Warenne, daughter of William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey and Elizabeth de Vermandois [Her line]

Henry = son of

31 King David I of Scotland, Prince of the Cumbrians and King of the Scots  (Alpin dynasty) md. Maud, 2nd countess of Huntingdon (1074-1130) [Her line] daughter of Waltheof II, Earl of Northumbria and Huntingdon (bheaded 1075) md. Judith of Lens

David = son of

32 Malcolm III King of Scotland (1031-1093) reigned 1058-1093 md. Saint Margaret (1045-1093) (daughter of Prince Edward the Exile (1016-1057), who was the son of Edmund Ironside (988/993-1016) King of England reigned 1016, who unsuccessfully tried to fend off the Danish invasion by King Canute)

Malcolm = son of

33 Duncan I, King of Scotland (c. 1001-1040) reigned 1034-1040  (murdered by Macbeth)

Duncan = son of

34  Bethoc of Scone daughter of King Malcolm II of Scotland (954-1034)  md. Crinan of Dunkeld AKA Grimus, Mormaer of Atholl, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld (b. c. 975 in Athoil, Perthshire,Scotland killed in battle in 1045 at Dunkeld) [His line]

Bethoc = daughter of

35 Malcolm II, King of Scotland (954-1034) reigned 1005-1034

Malcolm = son of

36 Kenneth II, King of Scotland (before 954-995) reigned 971-995

Kenneth = son of

37 Malcolm I, King of Scotland  (900-954) reigned 943-954

Malcolm = son of

38 Donald II, King of Scotland d. 900, reigned 889-900

Donald = son of

39 Constantine I, King of Scotland d. 877, reigned 863-877

Constantine = son of

40 Kenneth I mac Alpin, King of Scotland (c. 810-858) reigned 834?-858 (conqueror of the Picts, first king of the Scots)

Kenneth = son of

41 Alpín mac Echdach.

Alpin = son of

42 ?Eochaid mac Áeda Find

Eochaid = son of

43 Áed Find (Áed the White) AKA Áed mac Echdach (before 736–778) , King of Dál Riata (modern western Scotland).

Aed = son of

44 Eochaid mac Echdach, King of Dál Riata (modern western Scotland) reigned 726-733.

Eochaid = son of

45 Eochaid mac Domangairt (d. c. 697), King of Dál Riata (modern western Scotland)

Eochaid = son of

46 Domangart mac Domnaill (d. 673) a king in Dál Riata (modern western Scotland)

Domangart = son of

47 Domnall Brecc AKA Donald the Freckled (d. 642 in Strathcarron) was King of Dál Riata, in modern Scotland, from about 629 until 642.

Domnall = son of

48 Eochaid Buide, King of Dál Riata, reigned around 608-629. ("Buide" refers to the colour yellow, as in the colour of his hair.)

Eochaid = son of

49 Áedán mac Gabráin, King of Dál Riata from c. 574 onwards.

Aedan = son of

50 Gabrán mac Domangairt, King of Dál Riata in the middle of the 6th century.

Gabrán mac Domangairt = son of

51 ? Dungal

Dungal = son of

52 Fergus Mór mac Eirc legendary founder of Scotland

Fergus Mór mac Eirc = son of

53 Erc

Erc = son of

54 Eochaid Muinremuir

Eochaid Muinremuir = son of

55 Oengusa Fir

Oengua Fir = son of

56 Feideilmid

Feideilid = son of

57 Oengusa

Oengusa = son of

58 Feideilmid

Feidelid = son of

59 Cormaicc (Wikipedia lists the generations from Erc to Cormaicc in the Fergus Mor mac Eirc article and says this comes from a Middle Irish genealogy of the kings of Alba [The Book of Lismore], which lists an additional 46 generations)



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