Ancestor surfing

The line Seltzer-Estes-Bates-Fleming-Graham-Keith-Gordon/Seton-Stewart-Beaufort/Plantagenet-Hainault-Flanders
Branching of Margaret II of Flanders (generation 28)

42 generations back to 800 in Flanders. Includes King Edward III of England; Baldwin I Emperor of Constantinople, and a crusader from the Third Crusade.

Introduction about "ancestor surfing" (using Wikipedia to help track your ancestors)

1 Adela Rose Seltzer b. Nov. 9, 2007

daughter of

2 Robert Richard Hartley Seltzer b. July 29, 1975 md.  Aug. 10, 2002 in Boston, MA Stacey Denenberg b. July 18, 1976
2 Heather Katherine Hartley Seltzer b. August 13, 1977
2 Michael Richard Hartley Seltzer b. June 14, 1980
2 Timothy Richard Hartley Seltzer b. Oct. 5, 1989

children of

3 Richard Warren Seltzer, Jr. b. Feb. 23, 1946, md. July 28, 1973 in Boston, MABarbara Hartley b. Feb. 20, 1950

Richard = son of

4 Helen Estes b. Jan. 31, 1920 md. June 5, 1944 in Philadelphia, PA Richard Warren Seltzer, Sr. b. June 5, 1923

Helen = daughter of

5 Smith William Estes  b. June 17, 1881 d. 1943 md. in Philadelphia, PA  1905 May Griffith (1883-1930)

Smith = son of

6 Louis Powhatan Estes (Nov. 22, 1849 - Sept. 6, 1902) md. Oct. 30, 1875 Lily Yates Moore (May 13, 1853 - March 8, 1929) (daughter of S.W. Moore and Mary Yates)

Louis = son of

7 Albert Monroe Estes (Nov. 19, 1804 in Bedford County, VA - Dec. 22, 1863 in Haywood County, TN) md. Nov. 17, 1848 Mildred Colman (daughter of Dr. Benjamin Colman and Mildred Wharton of New Jersey) (c. 1823- Nov. 30, 1849)

Albert = son of

8 Sarah Langhorne Bates (1781- 1825 near Brownsville, Haywood County, TN)  md. Oct. 13, 1801 in Chesterfield County, VA Joel Estes (1780-1833) (son of Benjamin Estes and Cecelia Rebecca Thorpe)

Sarah = daughter of

9 Daniel Bates (July 6, 1756 - c. 1801) md. May 21, 1776in Chesterfield County, VA  Elizabeth Cary Bell ( b. about 1758 in Virginia, d. 1825 in Kentucky) daughter of David Bell and Judith Cary

Daniel = son of

10 James Bates (MaRCH 7, 1721 - nOV. 9, 1786) md. Nov. 11, 1746 in Goochland County, St. James Wortham parish, VA Winnifred Grymes or Grimes or Hix (b. Jan. 18, 1729 in Goochland)

James = son of

11 Susannah Tarleton Fleming md. about 1709 John Bates (1685-1723)

Susannah = daughter of

12 Charles Fleming (b. 1667) (of New Kent County, VA) md. Susannah Tarleton (d. 1687) (daughter of Stephen Tarleton)

Charles = son of

13 John Fleming (? may have emigrated from England to Virginia d. April 27, 1686 in New Kent County, VA, St. Peter's Parish Register) According to "Fleming Family" by Lyon G. Tyler, William and Mary Quarterly Vol. 12, 1093, pp. 45-47, "I think he was the father of Charles Fleming who md. Susannah ___.  She was probably a daughter of Stephen Tarleton."  John Fliming, 493 acres in New Kent County on south side of Yorke River 2 march 1661 per page 397 Parent Book No. 4.

Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol.XLV (1937) p. 64 "Judith Fleming ws daugther of Charles Fleming and Susannah Tarleton.  The first of her fmaily in Virginia was Thomas Fleming who md. Miss Tarleton of England (of the same famly as Colonel Banastre Tarlton, the noted British Cavalry officer of the time of the American Revolution) and emigrated to Virginia in 1616.  he left three sons and several daugthers.  The sons were Tarleton, John, and Charles." p. 95 "Elizabeth Champe md. William Fleming; he was the son of Colon John Fleming (1697-1766) of 'Mount Pleasant' and Mary Kennon Bolling of 'Cobbs,' and the gradson of Charles Fleming ( b. 1667) who ws third in descent from Sir John Fleming who was the first Earl of Wigton in Scotland."

John = son of

14 Thomas Fleming (?emigrated from England to Virginia in 1616) md. Miss Tarleton of England

Thomas = son of

15 Lilias Graham md. Lord John Fleming (1567-1619) 6th Lord Fleming,  first Earl of Wigton in Scotland from 1606 [His line]
"Biggar and the House of Fleming" by William Hunter, F.S.a. Scot. Pages 551-552, 557:
"Lord Fleming married Lady Lilias Graham, a daughter of John, Earl of Montrose.  Her ladyship was distinguished for her piety and devotion and her zealous efforts to prmoote the principles of the Reformation.  Livingstone, in his 'Characterisitcs' says of her, 'When I was a child I have often seen her at my father's at the preachings and communions.  While dressing she read the Bible, and every day at that time shed more tears (said one) than ever I did in my life.'"
"The Earl died in April 1619 leaving three sons and five daughters and was succeeded by his eldes son John who warmly embraced his mother's ecclesiastical opinions and was as zealous of the cause of Presbyterianism as his forefathers had been in the maintenance of Popery.
"He married Margaret, daughter of Alexander Livingstone, first Earl of Linlithgow, a lady of amiable disposition and great piety who entered cordially into the religious views and schemes of her husband.  They not only attended the ministrations of the settled Protestant clergy, but for some time maintained a chaplain of their own family." (page 552)
William and Mary Quarterly, Volume XII (1903) pp. 45-47 by Lyon G. Tyler vies the names of two sons, John and Charles.  "While his second son, Sir Thomas Fleming, is said to have emigrated to the Virginia colony and became the progentiro fhte Virginia branch of the family.  Mr. Brock states ('Richmond Standard,' Feb. 7, 1880) that he married Miss Tarleton and had Tartleton, John and Charles.  Mr. Brock's information it is believed, is derived from family tradition.  There is, nevertheless, no mention as far as I have been able to ascertian in the records of Virginia, of any Sir Thomas Fleming.  The earliest perosn of the name was John fleming, who I am inclined to believe was the emigrant". (Lyon G. Tyler)Lilias = daughter of

16 John Graham, third Earl of Montrose (1548-1608), Chancellor of the University of St. Andrews 1599-1604  md.  Joan Drummond

John = son of

17 Robert Graham md. Margaret Fleming d. 1547 [Her line]

Robert = son of

18  Lady Janet Keith md. William Graham, second Earl of Montrose (1492-1571) [His line]

Janet = daughter of

19  Lady Elizabeth or Eliza Gordon md. William Keith 2nd Earl Marischal

Eliza = daughter of

20 Annabella Stewart (1433-1471) md. George Gordon, Earl of Huntly (before 1455-1501), Chancellor of Scotland (1498-1501) [His line]

Annabella = daughter of

21  Joan Beaufort (1404-1445) md. 1424  King James I of Scotland (Stewart) (1394-1437) [His line]

Joan = daughter of

22 John Beaufort, first Earl of Someset (1371-1410) md. Margaret Holland (1385-1439) (daughter of Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent, who was the son of Joan "the Fair Maid of Kent", granddaughter of Edward I of England, wife of Edward the Black Prince and mother of Richard II of England) [Her line]

John = son of

23 John of Gaunt (Plantagenet), First Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) md. Katherine Swynford (1350-1403) (daughter of Payne de Roet a Flemish herald from Hainault) [John was born before they were married]

Richard II was his nephew
King Henry IV was his son

John = son of

24 Philippa of Hainault (1314-1369)  md.  King Edward III of England  (Nov. 13, 1312 - June 21, 1377) reigned 1327-1377 [His line]

Philippa = daughter of

25William I Count of Hainault  (1286-1337) md. 1305  Jeanne of Valois (1292-1342) [Her line -- see adela.html]

William = son of

26 John II of Avesnes, Count of Holland (1247 - Aug. 22, 1304) md. Philippa of Luxembourg  (1252-1311) [Her line]

John = son of

27 John I of Avesnes, Count of Hainaut (May 1, 1218 - Dec. 24, 1257) md. Adelaide of Holland AKA Aleide (Aleidis) van Holland (c. 1230 - april 9, 1284) [Her line]

John = son of

28 Margaret II Countess of Flanders and Countess of Hainault (1202-1280) md. Bouchard IV of Avesne [His line]

Margaret = daughter of

29 Emperor Baldwin I of Constantinople (1172-1205) also known as Baldwin VI Count of Hainault and Baldwin IX Count of Flanders. Iin the Fourth Crusade the Crusaders conquered Constantinople and made Baldwin emperor.  md. Marie of Champagne, granddaughter of King Louis VII of France and Eleanor of Aquitaine [Her line]

Baldwin = son of

30 Baldwin V Count of Hainault, AKA Baldwin VIII Count of Flanders and Baldwin I Margrave of Namur (1150-1195) md. Margaret Countess of Flanders

Baldwin = son of

31 Baldwin IV Count of Hainault (1108-1171) md. Alice of Namur

Baldwin = son of

32 Baldwin III Count of Hainault (1088-1120)

Baldwin = son of

33 Baldwin II Count of Hainault (1056-1098?) md. Ida of Leuven

Baldwin = son of

34 Baldwin VI Count of Flanders (1030-1070) md. Richilde, Countess of Mons and Hainault

Baldwin = son of

35 Baldwin V Count of Flanders (d. 1067) md. Adele Capet AKA Adela the Holy, daughter of King Robert II the Pious of France and Constance of Arles

Baldwin = son of

36 Baldwin IV the Bearded, Count of Flanders (980-1035) 7th generation descendant of Charlemagne through his farather and 8th generation through his mother.

Baldwin = son of

37 Arnulf II Count of Falnders (960 or 961-988) of Flanders ) md. Rozala of Lombardy

Alnulf = son of

38 Baldwin III of Flanders (940-962) md. Matilda of Burgundy

Baldwin = son of

39 Arnulf I the Great, Count of Flanders (890-965)

Arnulf = son of

40 Baldwin II Count of Flanders (875-918) md. Aelfthryth (d. 929), daughter of King Alfred the Great of England  see more below

Baldwin = son of

41 Baldwin I of Flanders md. Judith, daughter of Charles the Bald Holy Roman Emperor  (see below)

Baldwin = son of

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